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Posted by Unregistered User Anon at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Why the KK is ok
It seems to me that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the KK. It is simply a club. That is a group of people who want to get together and do stuff. In the case of the KK, it is a club which happens to do good by way of raising money for charity and providing the students of St Andrews with a great ball. If I wanted to get together with some people and organise a ball I would not expect to be forced to let anyone have an equal oportunity in helping me. It is a basic human right that we should be able to form our own groups. What about the male rugby club? That is a group of guys who want to play rugby. The KK is a group of people who share some common beliefs and want to do good for the community. If you do not approve of what the club does then they do not force you to participate and equally do not stop anyone from setting up a similar club. Of course, what this issue is about is not whether the KK is discriminatory or not, but it is about jealousy. Some people just dont like the idea that they cannot be a part of it. They dont like the fact that the KK makes them feel inferior. The silly thing is that the KK has no intention of making anyone feel insecure, they just want to be left to do their bit for charity and St Andrews. The issue is also firmly based on the idea that the KK is for rich public school boys. In fact the KK is far from being as such. There is an entry process which does not involve any reference to wealth or school and in fact the members of the KK come from various backgrounds. Even if it did only let people from public schools and those with above a certain amount of money in, would that be so bad? It is natural for people to form groups. With or without the KK, people from certain backgrounds will stick together. People who share common beliefs will get together. I feel that the KK do not harm and should just be left alone. Just my two sense worth. |
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Posted by Unregistered User J at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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I agree with you and I've always had a laid back attitude to the KK for this reason, even thought I dissaprove of there no-girls policy - if a bunch of rich school boys want to get together and have a club, why stop them? But the reason I do have a problem with them, and the reason I think many other do, is beacause of the Power they have in St. Andrews. The KK as a orginasation is a respected name, and there members individually, and collectively, wield a fair amount of clout. EG, Marcus Booth, KK Pres and and Union Pres (I'm not for one seccond suggesting that Marcus has abused his position, I'm just raising an example) Its just the thought that a Sexist upper class organisation should wield so much power that annoys people. |
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Posted by Unregistered User Alex Singleton at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Yes, this is so true. I only voted for Marcus Booth because I was afraid that the KK would come round and beat me up if I didn't... Could the fact that the KK gets quite a few positions in elections be something to do with the fact that they select according to certain criteria (e.g. outgoing, confident personality) which most people like when voting? Okay, so elections are largely won on the number of people you know, but I was elected in the recent elections and am not a member of the KK. A lot of KK members who stand don't get elected. I voted for Marcus not because he was KK, but because I thought he had the best abilities to do the job and had sound policies. Yes, it's helpful having groups of people you can count on in elections, but the KK isn't actually that big a voting bloc - perhaps it's just that KK members actually bother to vote. |
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Posted by Unregistered User Ince at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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The KK's days are numbered
This organisation cannot continue. The KK will have to fall because the new President has given them a year to change the policy and then will put the boot in. Just what impression of St Andrews the KK gives to the international media, I don't know - that the University is stuck in the past, in sexism and classism. i say roll on the change!
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Posted by Unregistered User Anonymous at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Oh no they're not!
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Posted by Unregistered User Anonymous at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Mis-guided Information
The New President, Dana Green, has no influnce over the KK. The KK are already a society banned from the union, you clearly have heard the facts from a second rate source.
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Posted by Unregistered User Ince at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Wrong president
Not the Union president you prat, the University president.
get your facts right.
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Posted by Unregistered User Ince at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Wrong president
Not the Union president you prat, the University president.
get your facts right.
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Posted by Unregistered User Anonymous at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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And who is this University president? I have never heard of a University president - what powers does he have?
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Posted by Unregistered User El Loco at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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The University President is, as I understand it, a honorary position, appointed every 2 years. I think, at present, that the position is held by Alex Salmond (former leader of the SNP), and I' really not sure whether he has any power at all, other than as a kind of figurehead. If anyone else has better info than me on it, I stand corrected........ |
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Posted by Unregistered User Kev Head at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Possibly clearing up confusion
Dear all, There is not really any such thing as either a Union President (anymore) or a University President. The Students' Association (made up of the Students' Union and the Students' Representative Council) President is Marcus Booth and his successor is Dana Green. There is also a fairly new position of Students' Association Honorary President, selected by the Association's Executive Committee (before anyone says it, I know... too many committees). This is a post for one year and, as El Loco said, this is currently held by Alex Salmond. It is indeed a figurehead position, but it is also an honorary title designed for those who have contributed personally to St Andrews' student life. Hope this clears things up a little. Kev xx. |
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Posted by Unregistered User V C at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Please shut-up about the KK!
I find it utterly pathetic and ignorant that people actually waste their energy in trying to abolish a club that does so many educational and helpful things. The individuals who fight so hard against this Club, simply because it happens to be all male really need to find something else to do. Might I also add that it is a myth that all of the members are public school educated, little rich boys, and if one considers that criteria a reason to fight against the club then that too is pitiful.
Just becuase I think that black Licorice is disgusting does not mean that I would try and start a campaign to deny other's access to it. Think about it: Should tesco stop selling meat to accomodate all of the vegetarians. Or how about banning all gluten products becuase some people are not allowed to eat it. So why ban a club simply becuase it too has it's own provisions and restrictions?
To all of you who are so embittered and seem to feel wounded by the existence of the KK that you continually try to tear it down I would just ask that you not take the single-sex nature of the Club so personally and use all of your fiery angst to fight for something that really matters.
Think about it, Do you really care or believe that by ruining the club that you would become some sort of gender-war/class hero? To tell you the truth, you may be construed as a sad individual who didn't have enough to do?
Please get a life and find an issue that makes an actual difference.
Edited: 2007-12-07 18:49:15 by Administrator |
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Posted by Unregistered User I.a.o at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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HOW RUDE
GET A LIFE? And who are you to say if someone has a life or not? It is necessary to fight against all forms of discrimination, and I will continue. Your comparison with Tesco is flawed. Tesco does not stop me entering because I am a meat-eater nor stop someone else entering due to the fact they are vegetarian. There is no sign on the door saying, 'No Blondes'. The Kk has a deliberate policy of no-women, that is that whatever your skills (be they confidence, extrovertion, charm, those qualities most treasured by the KK) if you are a girl, it is too bad. Really they mock their entrance policy. If one were to place the 35 most sociable, skilled, well-rounded individuals (and knowing soem of the KK I am laughing as i write, knowing how short they fall of the mark) of this university in a room, I suspect that there would be more than a few women. Where is their logic?? Then they say 'come on love, you're not capable of organising the thing, but please spend £70 on a ball ticket'. It IS worth fighting against, as long as one guards against thinking that it is the only goal of life, and I am sure noone thinks that. |
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Posted by Unregistered User V C at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Get A Life
You are a bored individual who fights against private clubs. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a ball ticket. If you don't like the KK then just ignore them. My argument is perfectly suitable. In life there are just certain things that one can and cannot do. Yes I am a woman and no i cannot join the KK. So What! Unlike you, who i am assuming is probably quite bored and perhaps rather unnattractive, I have several other things to do with my time rather than fight against a club which really does no harm.
So I will say agin and again Get a Life! Get A Life! Get A Life! Get a Life!
Edited: 2007-12-07 18:50:08 by Administrator |
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Posted by Unregistered User Anonymous at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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To the person who srote,not the above, but the message two above.
Have you been rejected by the KK? If so that may account for your ridiculous concern that the KK does not admit women. If you haven't then what is the problem. I think your attitiude is very naive. If you believe that the KK is going to change its policy because of whining, anti-public school people who feel snubbed then I think you really need to "get a life". Don't let it worry you. The KK has no power over you and would never seek to push unwanted opinions onto you in the way in which you have. Don't take it personally. The KK exists, and works well as its 40 person clique because of the way they select members: people with whom they know they will get along and work well with. i.e. people either from their own background or people to whom they can relate. I rest my case.
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Posted by Unregistered User I.a.o at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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below the belt
What a bitchy comment, Veronika. I shall not bother replying as I see your argument rests on personal insults and irrelevant conjecture. Are you 'attractive', whatever you have decided this is? |
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Posted by Unregistered User Anonymous at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Vindictive Veronika
That is possibly one of the nastiest messages I have ever read on this board. I did not write the above comment to which you responded, but feel your reply is out of order.
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Posted by Unregistered User repulicana at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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LOVELY, VERONIKA!!
FROM THE PRINCIPLE's ADDRESS:One of the pleasures of
St Andrews University, indeed one of the reasons students and staff
are attracted here,
is that distinctive texture of ancient buildings in a historic town, red
gowns and Bishop
Kennedy’s mace. Tradition, though, must never inhibit our ability to
move forward. We
must be ready to consider whether we may be continuing traditions
which are no
longer appropriate and which could be barriers to the University’s
values of excellence,
fairness and equality of opportunity on the basis of personal merit. -DOES THAT INCLUDE YOU BOYS?
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Posted by Unregistered User monkeyingmadness at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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ARSE!!!!!11
The thing I hate so much about the KK debate is that anyone who says they dont like it gets shot down with, "You have no life and are not attractive". Jesus I hope all you reasonings are not like that in your essays, mind you you could be shitty science students, now there's a thought
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Posted by Unregistered User Rob Milsom at 00:00, 0th Jan 0000 |
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Veronika
Veronika Nobody has any right to dictate what others can and cannot protest about. You may not like what other people protest about, but as the gist of your argument goes, it is unlikely that you'll be able to change other peoples opinions. It disappoints me that you felt the need to make such a nasty and vindictive comment about the attractiveness and sociability of the previous poster. I really thought that someone like you would be above that kind of thing...and it does your argument no favours at all. I doubt you would insult somone like that to their face, so please don't do it on the forum. An increasingly resigned Rob |
