[b]Quoting Grandpa from 18:39, 4th Dec 2005[/
No, I said ask them what the issues are, not ask them about every single issue. That would do away with the SRC, I'm talking about a plan that makes the SRC so much more legit than having a bunch of people around a table who have no idea what the students think.
Now, let me ask you this...how many student non-representatives approached the SRC last year?
How many of those few requests actually had any progress?
But then again you are happy with a system that largely ignores students full stop, oh, apart from at election time.
Another example of a system that dearly wants to work, but fails. When were students told about this? Have you any idea of the number of online web ct surveys that actually get completed? If there was publicity, did it work? Did you get a larger return than expected? Or at least as great? What was the percentage of returns???
Can anyone answer any of these?
Again, like I was saying, the system as it is ignores what people think.
Anything else is a poor excuse for representation.
No! Cerainly not. Let's Ignore the students, stuff what they say, our personal agendas are so much more important.
Yes, er, Laura....they don't, on the whole, actually know what goes on at SRC meetings
The SRC has tried to reach people in the past, and failed...So why be scared/against trying something else? Certiainly you tried things before, but they did not work, so try things again, but try different ones.
Quoting The Chap from 19:16, 4th Dec 2005
-I do not claim maturity, claiming maturity, as I've mentioned before, is your thing. Indeed it is the cornerstone of the arguements and retorts you adorn the boards with.
The "humerous stunt" that I "dared" (modest of you to suggest that one needs courage to poke fun at you!!!- Good God, man! You're head is really quite far up your backside. Bless!) was an example of what is called irony, apparently all the kids are into these days, probably a bit too modern for the likes of you.
-Again, I don't claim to be mature, I was merely pointing to the inadequacy of you basing your arguements on your age and the good four years or so you have over some of the "pesky kids" who try to passify you through rational and co-herent argument.
The "humerous stunt" that I "dared" (modest of you to suggest that one needs courage to poke fun at you!!!- Good God, man! You're head is really quite far up your backside. Bless!)
--Don't forget this bit! This bit's important!
was an example of what is called irony, apparently all the kids are into these days, probably a bit too modern for the likes of you.
-Again, I don't claim to be mature, I was merely pointing to the inadequacy of you basing your arguements on your age and the good four years or so you have over some of the "pesky kids" who try to passify you through rational and co-herent argument.
Quoting Laura from 19:33, 4th Dec 2005
Being students themselves who have stood for the various positions because of a desire to be representative of that group, yes I would say they do have some idea of what students think.
Also, the 'issues' are not 100% the way you are defining them. The 'issues' affecting students that the SRC sets about discussing and attemting to do something about are not just those that students e-mail the reps with (and yes it does happen) they are issues that we may have an inside on, or have become educated about that are not simply a problem a student is having (the library has no books) they are problems that unbeknown to a lot of students, will affect them (the university's desire to have the recor relinquish the chair of court).
There's no reason why this cannot continue
Furthermore, I think you are right - you may get demands that are impossible to fulfill, however, you may also raise some other things that you or I have never even thought of. But what the heck, lets stay as we are and we'll never find out.
Quoting The Chap from 20:51, 4th Dec 2005
on a serious note, this started because I find your agressive mode very off putting, as do many people. You would do better to put accross points in a civilised and coherent (got it this time-thanks!) manner. It seems you have stuff to say, so why not say it well?
Quoting Ben Reilly from 21:06, 4th Dec 2005
There are things that are issues that the general student body would not necessarily know are issues.
Quoting Ben Reilly from 21:53, 4th Dec 2005
How would you like us to inform them?
Or a Students' Association magazine (hint, there used to be one...)
Or how about I could make a report to the SRC at each meeting and the minutes could be put online...
Quoting The Chap from 21:54, 4th Dec 2005
The bottom line is you have just showed that you can argue the point well without being lured into silliness and biting when baited. That's more like it.
Quoting Ben Reilly from 21:53, 4th Dec 2005
don't try and change the system, try and make it work.
You say that you are not talking about bringing in direct democracy- but in that case, why don't you tell us exactly what it is you are suggesting?
Quoting Ben Reilly from 22:02, 4th Dec 2005
If the SRC wants to know more about what's been going on, then they should ask me.
If you think the SRC should be asking me more, then (if you're not willing to do it) ask a member to ask me.
Quoting Ben Reilly from 22:36, 4th Dec 2005
Good to see that that's clarified.
I disagree somewhat though. Sabbaticals have got more than enough to do without having to be on the backs of the members to ensure they do the job they said they would do when they stood.
Anybody can get on people's backs, and we'd probably have a better SRC if people did ask more questions.
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In fact, having been one of the more questioning people on SRC as a non-sabb, I would say it is imperative that it is not a sabbatical doing it.
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