Quoting yeats from 17:36, 8th Dec 2005
if only the world contained more people so serious about their beliefs it would be a much better place.
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Some day we shall be glad to remember such things
Quoting themushroomgod from 18:48, 8th Dec 2005
I think we all need to accept that in today's modern world, the morals that govern what is permissible in society need to be secular in nature, not tied to any sort of religeous belief system.
While you may disagree with them they clearly practice what the believe in their faith, if only the world contained more people so serious about their beliefs it would be a much better place.
I also respect that he has not descended into bad language or personal attacks on homosexuals at all despite the severe provocation that some on this board have given him.
so if it is just myself and a few others with a moral backbone, that decide to take it upon ourselves to stem the bleeding of society then I'll do it gladly.
Say you allow gay marraige, then you have offended Catholics, Muslims, many Christians and a number of other groups therefore your secular morals have offended a number of people crucially undermining their rights.
Quoting Yeats from 19:44, 8th Dec 2005
Say you allow gay marraige, then you have offended Catholics, Muslims, many Christians and a number of other groups therefore your secular morals have offended a number of people crucially undermining their rights.
Quoting The Dude from 18:00, 8th Dec 2005
[s]Quoting from 13:03, 7th Dec 2005
No more of these "moral decline" arguments? Why not? Doesn't moral decline exist?
8< SNIP! 8<
Quoting Yeats from 19:44, 8th Dec 2005Say you allow gay marraige, then you have offended Catholics, Muslims, many Christians and a number of other groups therefore your secular morals have offended a number of people crucially undermining their rights.
Quoting exnihilo from 20:23, 8th Dec 2005
Whereas, what you would have is a system in which a couple cannot designate each other as next of kin, do not automatically have, for example, the right to make decisions on each other's behalf while ill, cannot be deemed as a unit in terms of the law. You, in short, decide that they are second class citizens, not entitled to the same rights as other members of society. Why? because you find their lifestyle objectionable? Sorry, but that's totally unacceptable.
Saint Paul's Letter to the Romans 8:5-26 Those who are living by their naturally inclinations have their minds on things human nature desires; those who live in the Spirit have their minds on spiritual things. And human nature has nothing to look forward to but death, while the Spirit looks forward to life and peace, because the outlook of disordered human nature is opposed to God, since it does not submit to God's Law, and indeed it cannot, and those who live by their natural inclinations can never be pleasing to God. You however, live not by you natural inclinations, but by the Spirit, since the Spirit of God has made a home in you. Indeed, anyone who have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But when Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin but the spirit is alive because you have been justified; and if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead has made his home in you, then he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will give life to your own mortal bodies through his Spirit living in you.
So then, my brothers, we have no obligation to human nature to be dominated by it. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the habits originating in the body, you will have life.
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