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Postby luap on Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:08 pm

Aaaargh!

Hell no!

Surely you folks just want a little more consideration from smokers, rather than the loss of a civil liberty?

I'm not a habitual smoker, I get through perhaps on average 4 ciggies a month. I don't smoke near people who don't want to inhale my smoke, and I don't litter the streets with my cigarette butts. I'd quite like to retain the freedom to have a cigarette when I'm out and about if I feel like it.
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Postby Midget on Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:57 am

Is it true that in New York they banned smoking in some OUTDOOR places, that is sheer madness, any Americans, is this true? If so you lot are insane, or rather that mayor bloke is.

And also I thought pubs were ment to be smokey, at least part of a pub should be smokey otherwise it doesn't feel like a pub, its not like you go in a pub to get healhty is it?
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Postby Kibet on Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:47 pm

what is classed as smoking in public? and this is meant in all serious. ok you have the pubs, clubs and restuarants. but are all open air venues classed as ok to smoke? what about beer gardens? would that be ok?

if it is ok to smoke on the streets then smokers that go the smoke free pub will go out the front door to have a smoke. then that will be the next complaint "i had to go through a group of 10 smokers to get into the pub".

would the executive be prepared to fork out for ashtrays for the doorsteps of pubs/clubs/restuarants.

if i am in a restuarant that does not allow smoking, when i go to have a cigarette i go outside. so if this law did pass and i wanted a cigarette i would just go outside. but if there is an option to have a cigarette with my pint then i will take it, like 1 smokers pub and 9 anti-smoking pub.

on the train they have the smokers coach, except on virgin where it is all non-smoking. i would choose to go to the smokers coach so i can have a smoke but on a virgin train i would do without rather than like what some silly beggars do and smoke in the toilet, flushing everytime they exhale thinking that will take the smell away.

no smoking in university buildings is already in place so i don't smoke in university buildings. no smoking in my mothers house so i don't smoke in my mothers house. when, and it will be when, no smoking in public areas is introduced then i will not smoke in public areas.
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Postby Setsuna on Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:50 pm

Just watched the news on bbc1 just there... an outright ban on smoking isnt on the agenda according to big Jack.


However, apparently ireland is considering a ban...

To be honest, in scotland, there would be uproar on banning it in public places. There are just too many smokers and a lot of people enjoy a fag on a night out. However, there is nothing i hate more than coming home from the pub, reeking of smoke... not good with a hangover and takes at least 3 shampoos to get the smell out of yr hair. Yeuch.
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Postby Clonion on Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:07 pm

Yup, Ireland is going to ban it. The ban was meant to come in on the 1st of this year, but a few wee legal wrangles have popped up, so they've to be sorted first. It'll be interesting to see what happens...

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Postby Bonnie on Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:09 pm

I think smoking will die out, if not from the smokers dying out themselves but also from it becoming less socially enviable to smoke. Until then, create smoking sections in public houses. For the most part, smoking in places of work should be discouraged, but if one owns his own company or works in places for evening socialising, he should be allowed to smoke and customers should be allowed to smoke.
I'd support no smoking at the bar as there are workers behind it who must stay there, but I also think there should be at least one section of the pub where smoking is allowed. Health conscious owners could have self impose bans on smoking if they want to attract that type of customer or the owner can stick the smokers next to an open window if they so choose, but I don't think a law banning all public smoking is appropriate.
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