SSDC pro-am, conference and Bogwall

[Connie]

Hello all. Time for an update about the goings on with the Scottish Students Debating Council I think.

There is going to be a pro-am tournament in Glasgow on Saturday 21st October. Its going to be a good laugh, party at the GUU after, and crash in their debate chamber probably. We need pros AND ams, so anyone interested email me.
The next day is the SSDC conference. There is a meeting of the SSDC, then a day of prep for Worlds, although not exclusively for people who are going to worlds. Anyone at the pro-am is welcome to come. The announcement for the 1st round of the Mace will also be that day.

The Mace then - I have applied to have 6 teams. I reckon if any institution deserves the extra space its us (but I'm biased I guess). If people want to enter the Mace, which is a year long, long-prep knockout tournament then speak to me at training today or next week. We'll announce teams next week.

Newcastle and Durham IVs and on Friday the 3rd and 4th of November. if you want to go, then see me at training or after LPH tonight.

Bogwall. Contrary to rumours I have heard, Bogwall is not until the 18th of November. It is in Durham. New people - we will start thinking about teams in a few weeks, just try to keep the date free. Old people - we need to take at least a couple of judges along. I'll be going. if you want to join me, just let me know so I can give Durham a rough idea of how big the gang will be.

As always, any questions, email me on cbg2

Con

[David Bean]

Given that the generally-accepted definition of 'professional' is one whose income is derived primarily from the activity concerned (or possibly through sponsorship procured as a direct result of it), do I take it that the Pro contingent is to be derived entirely from the staff of the ESU?

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[OhhMy]

Quoting David Bean from 19:37, 11th Oct 2006
Given that the generally-accepted definition of 'professional' is one whose income is derived primarily from the activity concerned (or possibly through sponsorship procured as a direct result of it), do I take it that the Pro contingent is to be derived entirely from the staff of the ESU?

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No David, I think you will find that term comes from the world of sports other than debating which involve actual physical exorcise. For instance the 'Dunhill' is a 'Pro-Am' tournament. It is a term that most will understand, which is used to explain the fact that an expirienced debator will speak with an inexpirienced one.

What are you up to these days? I know that facebook is the place for this sort of thing but while I'm here I thougt I would ask.

[exnihilo]

Sport or otherwise it has nothing to do with experience it means professional and amateur. That a professional will likely have more experience is true, but not necessarily the case. I'd be willing to bet that a newly pro golf player has a helluva lot less experience than the amateur Jimmy Tarbuck does. The term carries past golf as well, into all sports where there are professional and amateur status that determine which competitions one can compete in. Honestly.

[David Bean]

Aye, that's what I thought.

Ohhmy: I'm in Manchester right now, working for the Co-operative Group on their graduate training programme. Didn't I tell you all this at the Societies' Fair? No matter - hope you're having a good evening.

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[Connie]

So....
Back onto what this thread was supposed to be for

So for the pro-am I have so far

Pros (some of these I'm assuming, if I'm wrong, email me)
Doug
Jason
Tony
Connie
Rachael
Chris
Tom
Alex
Anish
Jess
Beth

Ams
Sally
Dan F
Lauren
Molly
Frank
Alice

Judges
Rebecca

Ok, so heres the deal with transport

We should be in Glasgow as early as possible on Saturday, so we need to get the first X24 from the bus staion at 8.25. Sorry guys, but if you want to do IVs, you better get used to it.

Getting back is a bit harder. the last direct bus leaves at 6.15. if you're desperate then the trains run to Dundee til 9.50 or something, but I'd advise people to stay, watch (or take part in) the final, sleep at the GUU with the rest of us then get the bus in the morning at 11.25.

After the conference we WILL be getting the bus home at 7.25. This is the second last bus. I AM NOT MISSING THE LAST DIRECT BUS LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR.

Does anyone have any questions? if your name is not on that list then pleeeeeease email me asap cos they need to know numbers.

Con x

[exnihilo]

Just one thing you should bear in mind - although the second last bus may well leave at 7.25, the subway back into the City Centre from Hillhead will have stopped at 6 p.m., it being Sunday.

[Guest]

Is Duhrum and Newcastle pro am?

[Connie]

Neither are pro-ams, but we are using Newcastle as a chance for less experienced speakers to speak with members of the Worlds teams. Team pairings will be arranged at training.

Durham will see us revert back to Worlds teams, although there will be a space or two for less experienced teams. New speakers who spoke with a worlds speaker at Newcastle are encouraged to judge at Durham.

[Connie]

pro-am

Jason
Tony
Doug
Rebecca
rachael
Chris
Tom
Anish
Sally
Dan
lauren
Laura
Molly
Frank
Alice
Miles
katie

[kdc4]

Due ot the nature of the pro-am, with professionals debating with amateurs from other institutions, we were unable to have an all-St. Andrews final (as I'm sure we would have, if given the opportunity).

Thus, we were forced to do the next best thing and ensure that all finalling teams had a St. Andrews member.

Tom, Alice, Tony, and myself all made it to the finals while Tony topped the individuals tab, the team tab, and piloted his team to eventual victory.

Well done all!

Tab to follow.

Cheers,
-Doug

[Guest]

what are the criteria for being a pro or an am?

[kdc4]

Pros and ams were determined by the sending institution based on their assessment of speaking experience. Asteriks represent
a St. Andrews speaker:


Team Tab:

Saleem & Murphy* 622 12
Welch & Cahn* 583 10
Challiner* & Adams 581 9
Alzamora & Cochran* 586 8
Hutchison & Kennedy 582 8
Arksey & Connor* 562 8
MacPhee & Grieve* 573 7
Meyer* & Dogra 568 7
McKee & Molony 566 7
Mattina* & Gray 564 7
Casey & Baxter 545 7
Brownlee & Narandran* 552 6
George* & McDonald 567 5
Foggo & Whitbread* 564 5
Cahill* & Nicoll 556 5
Ward & Murray 549 5
Fisher* & Martin 566 4
Young* & Anderson 550 4
Niles & Smith 550 4
Arbuthnott* & Watson 546 4
Watt & Hawkins* 545 4
Stock & Vit* 544 4
Wood* & Mace 555 3
McCrossan & Armstrong 521 1


Individuals Tab:

1 Tony Murphy* 320
2 Doug Cochrane* 308
2 Niall Kennedy 308
5 Omar Saleen (a) 302
4 Connie Grieve* 303
6 David Adams 300
7 Jason Vit* 298
8 Ewan McDonald 295
9 Chris Hawkins* 293
9 Tom Cahn* 293
11 Iain Martin 292
12 Netan Dogra 291
13 Catriona Welch(a) 290
14 Kenny Nicol 289
15 Rachael Whitbread* 288
16 Aissa Watson 286
16 Beth Connor* 286
18 Andy Gray 285
19 Anish narandran* 284
20 John McKee (a) 283
20 James Molony 283
20 Richard anderson* 283
23 Jordan Smith 282
24 Alice Challiner (a)* 281
24 Miles Wood (a)* 281
26 Laura Mattina (a)* 279
27 Marcelina Alzamora (a) 278
28 Katie Meyer (a)* 277
28 Greg Murray 277
30 Rachel Arksey (a) 276
30 Graham Foggo (a) 276
32 Euan Baxter 275
33 Dan Fisher (a)* 274
33 Micheal Hutchison (a) 274
33 Clifford Mace 274
36 Frank George (a)* 272
36 Kevin Ward (a) 272
38 Sean Casey (a) 270
38 David MacPhee (a) 270
40 Sandy Brownlee (a) 268
40 Keron Niles (a) 268
42 Lauren Cahill (a)* 267
42 Sally Young (a)* 267
44 Una McCrossan (a) 263
45 Molly Arbuthnott (a)* 260
46 Neil Armstrong 258
47 Robert Watt (a) 252
48 Henning Stock (a) 246

Motions:

THW Legalize all drugs
THW Sacrifice economic growth for environmental good
THW Stop funding faith-based schools (exact wording escapes me).
THW Remove drug patents for the 3rd world.

Final: THW would restrict adoption to the parents' home country.

Truly an impressive result, especially the freshers. Alice made the final and Miles ended up beating his 'pro' partner on tab.

Largest Gap between PRO/AM teammates:
52 Points, achieved by Jason Vit who debated with an ESL speaker from Robert Gordon's.


Cheers,
-Doug

[Corporationdialectica]

Quoting from 13:41, 18th Oct 2006
what are the criteria for being a pro or an am?

Judges was based on SSDC gradings, for speakers it was more "self-definitional"


PS MAce draw now on SSDc and BD

[Frank George]

Bogwall is right around the corner and I am wondering about transport and organisation.

[Jessica]

Bogwall is on Saturday. I'm sure Connie will give out details on the sinner as well as this Wednesday.

[kdc4]

Bogwall= This Saturday. All interested should definitely come to training on Wed. and Friday (if possible) and make sure Connie is aware of your interest.

Also, you can catch Connie Monday night half seven at the Mansfield lounge, where we're in the Mace.

Cheers,
-Doug

P.S. Well done to Tom and Miles, who have also advanced to the second round of the Mace.

Quoting Jessica from 17:59, 12th Nov 2006
Bogwall is on Saturday. I'm sure Connie will give out details on the sinner as well as this Wednesday.

[Alex Jennings]

Congratulations to Doug and Connie for advancing to the next round of the Mace!

In regards to Bogwall, I've done some looking at trains.

On the Sunday, the earliest train is at 9.50am getting into Leuchars at 2.15pm. I think that considering it's Raisin Weekend, we're probably going to want to get back as soon as possible for all the parties.

Going down on the Saturday, however, we have a few options. Registration closes at 12.15, so we can take the:
7.46 getting in at 10.51
8.12 getting in at 11.21
8.44 getting in at 11.42

Any thoughts?

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"Look, I told you when we met that I was not a leprechaun, that I was from Rhode Island, and that I was half Korean, but you said it didn't matter."

[Jessica]

I vote for the middle train. Then if anyone misses it (which they WONT) they can still make it.

[Guest]

Having looked at the train websites as well it is now too late to get cheap tickets in advance , certainly if like me you want to get home that night (anyone else wanting to join us is welcome)
A saver return costs about £37 with a railcard (if you dont have one already, getting one pays for itself practically with this one ticket)

Chris

"Spend less!"