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Postby Midget on Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:57 pm

Send 'em home?

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Postby Grandpa on Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:20 pm

Quoting someone from 10:46, 29th Oct 2005
That's a great idea, Reilly--- "oh, why don't I just sneak it in there that perhaps we should join the NUS?" Brilliant.

Why do you think Brian Lang isn't doing any of it? Because the Union isn't putting any pressure on him.

You're not running a Soviet Socialist Republic, Ben (although you might like to.) The Association is not terribly complicated, its laws are as binding on independent human activity as bluetack and it has 30-odd officers. If you can't manage to marshal them for a campaign other than Simon Pepper's then I would suggest to you that the problem isn't the SRC... it's probably the people who sit on it.



Or run it.

I think two years in a row is all very good, but the lack of experience in leadership, I'm afraid to say, is obvious - at least where the SRC is concerned. Societies seem to have a lot more, *ahem*, success than other dept.s

In 3 SRC meetings you should be able to:

1) Decide what your policies for the year will be [s](give a few examples and let the rest do the work. leaders are there to steer and guide, not to do the running around and all the brain work)[/s]

2) Decide if Dr. Laing needs bringing up to speed over anything Association-wise. Two points here, firstly, the [s]small text from 1) above applies[/s],and secondly, I know some say he's not the most something-or-other of Principles, but that it rubbish. You need to find someone who a) isn't scared of talking to him every week, [s][s]or even every day[/s][/s] if necessary, b) who can approach him confidently and in a style he recognizes. If someone he's put off by (for whatever reason) repeatedly approaches him, he's never going to budge for them. And I suggest that if you've had little progress in the past, then this may be a reason for it. This is power politics on a smaller stage than some - but it's still the same game. None of this "ooo please can we talk to you about this". Try, "Dr Laing, I have some issues that I need to talk over with you and get your advice on." Try talking to him about how the union could work closer with the University, perhaps? Get him on our side - stop alienating him - subconsciously, as you do (I've heard it all a million times) - you all talk about him when he's not there like he's some sort of monster. Forget whatever you think, it's not applicable in the real world. Grow up and learn to work WITH people, and stop influencing yourselves against the system that's not going to work with you unless you work with it.

3) Decide which campaigns require whom to work on them. Remember, your representatives are meant to be representing - not just in person, but also in act and deed. Take this away from them and you remove their purpose fully.

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Postby someone on Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:21 pm

Quoting harmless loony from 19:58, 29th Oct 2005
So what are you planning to do for the ethnic minorities you now represent?


I've offered my services to the DoR (horribly suggestive I know, but really) in running any welfare campaigns he should come up with. I am of the opinion that when somethign doesn't get done, it's not the fault of the Sabs- particularly from a representational standpoint. What the major problem is that the Sabbatical Officers' workforce, the officers of the SRC, are unable to support the DoR and the Sab officers properly. Policy matters are Ben's primary concern, as is deciding which campaigns to run and when. My job is to keep him up-to-date about ethnic minorities issues and to act as an advocate for ethnic minorities on the SRC.

To this end I'm contacting Student Support Services and the Fife Fairness, Race Awareness and Equality Network on Monday to get their professional opinions on what Fife-specific and Uni-specific problems can be addressed by someone in my position.

Furthermore, it was brought to my attention prior to running for the post that the SRC Member for Ethnic Minorities sits on none of the Association's subcommittees (including Equal Opps & Welfare.) I'll be proposing an amendment to the Association's laws specific to the remit of my post to make sure, in the future, holders of what is presently my office sit on that sub-committee and play an active role in the Association's equal opps/welfare decisions (which, thus far, they have not.)

Finally, one of the major problems with any SRC posts is that, more often than not, officers who win positions and are ineffective do not keep copies of their work or keep an eye towards progress once their term is completed and they are not here. In a policy/advocacy related post that is unacceptable. I will try to figure out how to come up with more detailed record-keeping procedures so that future officers can build on previous work rather than simply starting from scratch (making the post a reactionary one rather than a continuous, progressive effort). I will be keeping copies of my work and will give it to the incoming DoR elected this march to pass down to the next SRC Member for Ethnic Minorities once my term has ended (as I am a fourth year student, there is a very good chance that I will not be here in the fall... don't cry, you'll be fine).


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Postby harmless loony on Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:00 pm

Given that I'm a 4th year, I won't be here in September either.......so don't worry I won't shed any tears for you :P
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Postby Oli on Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:40 am

All this sounds promising.
I'm glad we have some new officers who are willing to do their job and work with each other and the sabbs to make progress.

If any elected officers would like assistance in publicising their campaigns, efforts or meetings/surgeries, speak to the relevant sabbatical officer who will forward the request on to me (Design and Marketing Officer) and I'll make it known to the student body.


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Postby Al on Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:21 pm

Wouldn't it save time if the elected officer just approached you directly? Or is that too unbureaucratic?
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Postby someone on Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:24 pm

Quoting Al from 14:21, 31st Oct 2005
Wouldn't it save time if the elected officer just approached you directly? Or is that too unbureaucratic?


As Oli is a member of staff and not an elected officer, Oli has other crap to do. So if we forward the request to the Sab, they can give all the stuff that needs to get done to Oli at once rather than having 40 different people making different requests at different times. It's actually rather more efficient.

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Postby Oli on Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:18 pm

Spot on, Preston.

It's a lot more efficient for me to deal with the sabbaticals who can present all the information to me in clear cut way, all in one go than to handle each publicity request separately.

So although it's adding an extra step into the process, it will actually save time in the long run, and it has nothing to do with bureaucracy (which really gets my goat!)
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Postby someone on Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:33 pm

Quoting oli from 12:18, 2nd Nov 2005
Spot on, Preston.


Booya.

Dude!

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Postby Bonnie on Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:30 pm

I wrote on this thread a few days back but forgot to put in my username. Could the moderator please post it? It's so obviously from me.

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Postby exnihilo on Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:47 pm

Do you know what amuses me most about all this? That the term sine suffragio still keeps popping up, despite having been invented by me some years ago essentially as a piss-take. Well done!
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Postby Al on Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:46 pm

The most depressing thing is that, when faced with an SRC structure that doesn't work properly, the answer to many is to bring in a structure that will work even less well. It's like a doctor amputating a leg to correct a person's limp.
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Postby exnihilo on Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:56 pm

Course, if we'd ever had a system whereby a person could be compelled to do, or effectively disciplined for not doing, their job then maybe we wouldn't have made so many changes to a system that "wasn't working" and concentrated on making it work.

Le sigh.
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Postby Challenge 1 on Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:49 pm

All the SRC does is sit and talk shit that never gets anywhere - so why do we bother with it?

What exactly does it do for students? Nothing - and that is why you're trying to fix it.

So, what will it do for students? Nothing - why? Because the same people who were there last year are still there this year. SABs, reps, and Officers - all interested in one thing - themselves. With the exception of a one Mr Nicholson, I don't know why we should keep any one single person in their current position.

I would like to challenge all the current SRC members - right here and right now - to publicly state what they have done and why they should remain.

I would also like the SABs to do exactly the same - What, exactly has Mr Rilly done for us this year. Not what has he done for the Association, but what has he done for the Students...directly?

And Mr Bean - what have you done for the students since you were elected in. What exactly did you do over the summer? Did you do any work??? Do the majority of the student body understand what your position entails? Could you perhaps let them know.
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Postby Guest on Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:50 pm

Quoting someone from 13:24, 1st Nov 2005
It's actually rather more efficient.


Is that why meningitis awareness week passed without a mention recently?
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Postby Guest on Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:50 pm

Preston,
If you do what you have outlined above, I'll be glad to have proposed you.
I know that you can perform well, you just need to get your head down (but in the sand) and do it.
Just to note that you too can also focus on policy. It doesn't have to be only Reilly's focus, and in the same way, Reilly can also do some of the legwork if that's what you require.
I look forward to the times when people will be saying "yeah, the year Preston was ethnic minorities rep was a good year. He was exemplary."

Good luck and if you ever need some advice, I'm here for you.
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Postby watching you on Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:50 pm

regarding grandpa's thread above - i think there'll be a good bit of behind the scenes monitoring of who's training who and how effective it all is....
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Postby Dickie on Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting Ben Reilly from 17:02, 11th Sep 2005
How can we really say the SRC represents the student body when the majority of people on it were elected unopposed?

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