Union doors closing on a Tuesday

[Legion]

One day I think these people will grow up.

Until then though, there is despair to keep us company

[Jono]

Quoting Bonnie from 12:45, 8th Mar 2006

Quoting The Chap from 09:55, 8th Mar 2006
And clearly the union has done it in response to those cheap drink offers that were distracting potential student drinkers from the union. Still, it is pretty shitty that instead of a decent alcoholic incentive, like some cheap drinks offers, the union chooses to flex the licence advantage.

Clearly the East Fife Licencing Board in Cupar told the Union to severely control the footfall around midnight, if you read the May Licencing Board minutes. I'm not sure if they're online, but they are definately within the public domain, it being a court of justice and all.
Those omnicient beings who solely control who can and cannot serve alcohol, on which days, and at what times do not appreciate "happy hour" drinks offers. They'd rather take the Union's licence away (as they HAVE done before!) than see the Union have Boozeday-type offers. Evidence of this can be found in those same Cupar minutes.
The Union's neighbours also enjoy complaining about noise, blaming it on the Union/ students when it's clearly coming from the Vic or the Raisin. Police testimony corroborates this. The Board accepts that the Union responds responsibly when there are noise complaints and accepts the suggestion that the noise the neighbors think comes from the Union actually comes from other pubs in the area. One way to prove this is by shutting the doors at 11:30 in the Union.
If there is any noise complaints between 11:45 and 12:45 (imagine the Vic, the Raisin, Aikmans, the Lizard/Oak Rooms, TPs, and 1 Golf Place all let out at midnight within 1 block of the Union), then Mr. Boyle (the licence holder for the Union) can say "It wasn't us. We didn't have hundreds of people spilling out of our establishment at the same time." It's the lines of people and the drunken milling about at closing time that makes all the noise and loses pubs their late licences.

So it all boils down to not having a rush of people at midnight when the other pubs close, or else the Union would lose its licence and the other pubs would not.


[s]Notice I didn't write "we" or "us". I wrote conclusions which can be got from reading documents in the public domain. I'm not trying to give the impression that I'm at all still involved in Union decision-making and would appreciate responders respecting that. I'm sure those who are involved in Union decision-making would also appreciate that I'm not trying to butt in.[/s]

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I love cheese.

But that doesn’t make any sense! Surely it WOULD be the union making all the noise, seeing as everyone (some, albeit grudgingly) descends upon the union at around 11:30 and then pour out into the streets at one.

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Don't mention the Nazi's!

[The Famous Philosopher]

11:30 isn't between 11:45 and 12:45 though

[Ben Reilly]

Jono,

This way the Students' Association can not be blamed for the problems caused by the other pubs.

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http://www.yourunion.net/main/representation/

[Fozzy Bear]

Quoting The Famous Philosopher from 15:07, 8th Mar 2006
11:30 isn't between 11:45 and 12:45 though

nor is it after 1am

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Advertise your business here. £4.99 a month

[Duggeh]

This is why i support the idea of very late liscening, if the drinking establishments dont have a throw out time then students toddle home of their own accord during the night and theres none of this mob behaviour.

However I think we all know what the chances of any pub in town being granted an all night liscence are. Zero.

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Duggeh: Master Of Ceremonies

[The chap]

Well, having read everything here I have to admit I was wrong. It does make sense, and thankyou to those who explained the reasons.

[Cain]

Quoting The Chap from 09:55, 8th Mar 2006
Still, it is pretty shitty that instead of a decent alcoholic incentive, like some cheap drinks offers, the union chooses to flex the licence advantage.

the union is using the one competitive advantage that it has, that other bars are not able to replicate, rather than attempt to compete in other areas.

even better, it sounds like it's winning.

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I hold an element of surprise

[Actually]

I can assure you all that it was pressure from Mr Dave Whitton that put the 11.30 curfew into place.

Dave Whitton is the person held responsible for all profits that come through the bar. He reasoned that people would come to the union earlier and would thus yield a bigger profit margin for YOUR union.

All this guise that it's to do with protecting the licence is true to an extent, but I can assure you the PRIMARY REASON BEHIND ANY DECISION like this is for PROFIT.

This isn't a guess or anything, and I have posted anonymously for a reason.

[Cain]

Quoting Actually from 17:17, 8th Mar 2006
All this guise that it's to do with protecting the licence is true to an extent, but I can assure you the PRIMARY REASON BEHIND ANY DECISION like this is for PROFIT.

well, can the union generate revenue to operate without a licence?

and the union bar wants to make a profit? I'd be upset if they didn't.

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I hold an element of surprise

[falach]

Quoting Cain from 19:07, 8th Mar 2006

Quoting Actually from 17:17, 8th Mar 2006
All this guise that it's to do with protecting the licence is true to an extent, but I can assure you the PRIMARY REASON BEHIND ANY DECISION like this is for PROFIT.

well, can the union generate revenue to operate without a licence?

and the union bar wants to make a profit? I'd be upset if they didn't.

i know, i mean, where do these people think society funding comes from, a tree in the garden behind venue 1?!

*NEWSFLASH*
for those that don't realise, the bar and bop (kindof) are the two main ways in which the union makes money. This money is then used in the form of grants to affiliated societies.
*END NEWSFLASH*

give the union a break, really!

[exnihilo]

Erm, actually, not entirely true. The Association receives a grant from the University which is used for student activity.

[Ben Reilly]

Quoting exnihilo from 00:35, 9th Mar 2006
Erm, actually, not entirely true. The Association receives a grant from the University which is used for student activity.

Well, actually the grant from the University doesn't even cover the costs of heating and lighting the building (AFAIR).

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http://www.yourunion.net/main/representation/

[The Cellar Bar]

Quoting Cain from 18:56, 8th Mar 2006

Quoting The Chap from 09:55, 8th Mar 2006
Still, it is pretty shitty that instead of a decent alcoholic incentive, like some cheap drinks offers, the union chooses to flex the licence advantage.

the union is using the one competitive advantage that it has, that other bars are not able to replicate, rather than attempt to compete in other areas.

even better, it sounds like it's winning.

Actually not ALL bars. Blatant brass necked advertising tho it may sound, The Cellar Bar and Aikman's also have a 1 o'clock licence every night of the week. Thankfully restored at the last October sitting of the Licensing Board. And in no small measure down to the fact that we received more than 2,000 signatures on the famed petition.

So in that respect there is an alternative to legging it to the Union before 11.30!!!