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Postby Lid on Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:09 am

I wonder what the Societies rules state on this. If a group has to have fully open membership to be eligible for affiliation, I guess all of their meetings have to be fully open to all too.

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Postby Fozzy Bear on Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting Lid from 10:09, 13th Oct 2006
I wonder what the Societies rules state on this. If a group has to have fully open membership to be eligible for affiliation, I guess all of their meetings have to be fully open to all too.

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as long as it wasnt actually classed as anything to do with the society, it would be fine i think.
if they were to hold it as a group of friends who just happen to all be members of that society who also happened to meet through that society, there really wouldnt be anything wrong. they just wouldnt be able to have it in the union (as i think everything there has to be open to all).


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Postby Jono on Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:56 pm

The Ju Jitsu club held one last semmester without incident. Though I realise the AU is a law unto itself.

As for allowing men to attend, surely it's a company policy. Methinks they'd lose their status as a reputable company if Anne Summers parties regularly degenerated into orgies.


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Postby flarewearer on Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:28 pm

Quite, while I mentioned this tongue in cheek, I'm sure there's plenty of union hackworths who would be more than happy to make a Ben Nevis out of a Melville Mound if a society was organising events with a company that refuses to admit men and gender-displaced persons to their events!

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Postby Jono on Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting flarewearer from 15:28, 13th Oct 2006
Quite, while I mentioned this tongue in cheek, I'm sure there's plenty of union hackworths who would be more than happy to make a Ben Nevis out of a Melville Mound if a society was organising events with a company that refuses to admit men and gender-displaced persons to their events!

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Indeed.

Ironic how by that standard, the SRC would rather be associated with a drunken shagfest than with an exclusively women's event.

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Postby nighteyes on Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:55 am

I went to one in the bute last year. So it is more than possible to have one. It was held in the aquarium though.

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Postby Akasha on Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:08 pm

In recent years the female attendance at LGBT was minimal. The society was very much dominated by men and as such very few women even bothered turning up as they felt the society didn't cater to them. They were essentially a minority within a minority group and didn't feel they should get involved. I’m not saying that previous committees didn’t try, just that women did not show up.

An issue raised at the National LGBT Health Conference, which I attended earlier in the year, was the invisibility of women in these so-called inclusive LGBT societies. Many women feel the “LGBT” communities have very little to offer them and, as a result, miss out on a variety of opportunities, such as education regarding equal opportunities in employment or information regarding their sexual health. Poor access to these resources can have a huge range of detrimental affects in later life.
This is an issue which I committed myself to tackling.

This year we have seen female membership shoot up. MORE women than men signed up at the societies’ fayre and membership is still not far off a 50/50 split.

This may have been, in part, due to the fact that there is a visible female committee member in the President. I believe, however, that this is largely due to the promised ADDITIONAL women’s events run by myself and the women’s officer to increase female involvement in the LGBT Society. This has, in fact, been so successful that most events now have a 50/50 gender split for attendance.

* These additional events DO NOT utilise any society resources. They do not cost anything and they are run at homes of female members/pubs etc. For instance we meet up and watch a movie at someone’s house.
* There are planned men’s events; it’s just a case of our events officer actually doing them. I would run them myself… however, I don’t think the guys would be too keen on their additional events being run by me. This is the responsibility of our events officer.


As to the Ann Summers issue….
This event is not an official society event. It is an additional event designed to foster a deeper sense of community within this previously neglected sub-grouping of our membership. The individuals who attend our additional ladies events REQUESTED an Ann Summers Party, which I am now endeavouring to organise for them.

I am not aware of any alternative to Ann Summers. If anyone does know of a company that does not operate under such strict controls I would be grateful if they could provide me with contact details.

Alternatively, if anyone knows an A-S’s rep who is happy to run an A-S Party for men and women that would be fabulous. Nighteyes… you said you were at one? Do you know who organised it or who the rep was?
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Postby Atangaladhion on Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:03 pm

The medic's party was run by a friend of Ros (the person who's posted above with their details) who lives in Edinburgh, and is no longer an Ann Summers party organiser. Ros is currently the only Ann Summers rep in St Andrews, and I believe she's already been in contact with you.

They're not allowed to do mixed parties and penalties are pretty stiff if they do, so you're not likely to find anyone who will run one.

I hope you enjoy your party, I know it would be brilliant with Ros running it! :)

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Postby Naomi Dunn on Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:11 pm

Hi there

I am an Ann Summers Rep - so have insider knoweledge to help clarfiy the point.

It is in all Party Planners contract that the parties must only have women in attendence, the whole point of Ann Summers Party Plan was to allow women to purchase intimate sexual products/ask intimate personal questions in the comfort of a home setting. remember Ann Summers party Plan has been running for 25 years and peoples perceptions regarding Sex toys etc have changed alot over the last couple of decades.

How comfortable would you feel if your MUM was being measured for your Bra by a man or having Men who are unknown to you present when asking what Vibe will suit your needs best? remember Ann Summers caters for all kinds of women from 18+.

Another point to remember is the Party Orgainser is attending a party full of strangers that often she has not met before - it is much easier knowing there will be no men present for the orgainser to put herself at that sort of risk.

Ann Summers do conform to the Sex Discrimination Act even though they only employ women as Party Planners. This gives you an indication that their is a bono fide reason why parties are restricted to Women only.

My Advice is to ask the indivudal orgainser how she feels regarding this party (bearing in mind she will be breaking her contract and could be sacked if for any reason it came out in the wash) - she may be comfortable if the party is in a venue and knowing that the men in attendence are Gay or Bi.

Failing that email Naomi at Niylli@aol.com and I will see what I can do to source an experienced Ann Summers Rep that may be able to help.
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Postby Adam Fellows on Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:00 pm

To be fair, as one of the male committee members (though of course I cannot speak for all) the thought of playing with female lingerie and sex toys is not my idea of a great time, so I am going to try and get something going for the men ASAP.

Bloody elections, otherwise I would have done it sooner.

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