[s]Al wrote on 15:08, 1st Nov 2004:
3. If you have the right to find something which is not directed at you offensive then I have the right to find his constant sniping at Mohawk offensive.
And I have the right to think of you as a troll. A fully fledged one at that, safe in the knowledge that most people seem of the same opinion. A poll would confirm this not that you would ever care/dare to risk that.
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by Anon. on Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:32 am
Hooray! A poem thread again! I was sorely missing http://www.thesinner.net/messageboard-v ... hread=3830 .
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by Al on Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:11 pm
[s]Unregisted User wrote on 16:02, 1st Nov 2004:
[s]Al wrote on 15:08, 1st Nov 2004:[i]
And I have the right to think of you as a troll. A fully fledged one at that, safe in the knowledge that most people seem of the same opinion. A poll would confirm this not that you would ever care/dare to risk that.
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Of course you have that right. Just as I have the right to think of you as someone who is too cowardly to put a name to your increasingly pointless posts. Troll? I am not the one posting anonymously with the sole intent of causing trouble.
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[s]Al wrote on 15:08, 1st Nov 2004:[i]
And I have the right to think of you as a troll. A fully fledged one at that, safe in the knowledge that most people seem of the same opinion. A poll would confirm this not that you would ever care/dare to risk that.
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Of course you have that right. Just as I have the right to think of you as someone who is too cowardly to put a name to your increasingly pointless posts. Troll? I am not the one posting anonymously with the sole intent of causing trouble.
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hang on...
by killbill on Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:33 pm
I have the right to think of you as someone who is too cowardly to put a name to your increasingly pointless posts. I am not the one posting anonymously with the sole intent of causing trouble.
The vast majority of users on the sinner are posting anonomously, that is to say under a psuedo name!!
The only reason for posting your real name would be so that everyone knew who you are... And the only advantage of that would mean being able to meet up with each other and discussing matters face to face.
Given that this is an internet forum, or message baord, i think it's a good thing that people can post without having to reaveal their actual identity. Direct confrontation is for people who like arguing up close and personal, and i would guess that most poeple who post on the sinner are introverted spods who don't get out enough, and therefore lack the confidence to speak honestly to each other.
(That last sentence will offend many of you, though i'm going to keep it on the post!!!)
posting anonomously, or even as an un registered user, is what's known as BANTER!
The vast majority of users on the sinner are posting anonomously, that is to say under a psuedo name!!
The only reason for posting your real name would be so that everyone knew who you are... And the only advantage of that would mean being able to meet up with each other and discussing matters face to face.
Given that this is an internet forum, or message baord, i think it's a good thing that people can post without having to reaveal their actual identity. Direct confrontation is for people who like arguing up close and personal, and i would guess that most poeple who post on the sinner are introverted spods who don't get out enough, and therefore lack the confidence to speak honestly to each other.
(That last sentence will offend many of you, though i'm going to keep it on the post!!!)
posting anonomously, or even as an un registered user, is what's known as BANTER!
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by Guest on Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:35 pm
[s]Al wrote on 12:11, 2nd Nov 2004:
I am not the one posting anonymously with the sole intent of causing trouble.
Deary me you don't have to be anonimous to be a troll, just with the intent to casue trouble - hence you fit the mould ever so nicely.
Oh love the "coward" comment - surprising how people who think they put their "real name" down think that means they can slag off who they want. No one cares enough to be honest, I'm a bored student who finds you annoying and when I leave uni and get a real job I'l move in different circles and generally be too busy having fun to post on forums. Hence I won't be the one being cowardly.
You're not worth it, you never have been. Years and years spent making snide comments - I hope it has made you feel better at least.
I am not the one posting anonymously with the sole intent of causing trouble.
Deary me you don't have to be anonimous to be a troll, just with the intent to casue trouble - hence you fit the mould ever so nicely.
Oh love the "coward" comment - surprising how people who think they put their "real name" down think that means they can slag off who they want. No one cares enough to be honest, I'm a bored student who finds you annoying and when I leave uni and get a real job I'l move in different circles and generally be too busy having fun to post on forums. Hence I won't be the one being cowardly.
You're not worth it, you never have been. Years and years spent making snide comments - I hope it has made you feel better at least.
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by Superiorjames on Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:52 am
good to see this topic isnt causing too much friction then!
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by Thackary on Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:26 am
It's not so much about cowardice, but more to do with identifying people.
What's to stop several people who haven't registered from using the same username (eg simply "unregistered user") - there's no guarantee that they are the same person.
For the sake of alleviating any confusion or ambiguity, it makes sense to register an account. You don't have to tell people what your username is (or even that you use The Sinner at all).
What's to stop several people who haven't registered from using the same username (eg simply "unregistered user") - there's no guarantee that they are the same person.
For the sake of alleviating any confusion or ambiguity, it makes sense to register an account. You don't have to tell people what your username is (or even that you use The Sinner at all).
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I SEE THINGS HAVEN'T CHANGED
by Manic23 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:41 am
[s]Unregisted User wrote on 13:46, 2nd Nov 2004:
Deary me you don't have to be anonimous to be a troll, just with the intent to casue trouble - hence you fit the mould ever so nicely.
Oh love the "coward" comment - surprising how people who think they put their "real name" down think that means they can slag off who they want. No one cares enough to be honest, I'm a bored student who finds you annoying and when I leave uni and get a real job I'l move in different circles and generally be too busy having fun to post on forums. Hence I won't be the one being cowardly.
You're not worth it, you never have been. Years and years spent making snide comments - I hope it has made you feel better at least.
Same Banal repetitive verbal slurry, same primal sentence structure ("Oh you called me a coward, no, YOU'RE the coward, you're not worth my time etc...")
Hello again, I see you still haven't tired of spouting off your doctrine of 'moralise those around me as they are clearly intellectually and spiritually inferior.'
Some constructive criticism: FUCK OFF YOU ANNOYING POMPOUS LITTLE TROLL.
I await generic reply of "Oh look, everyone's favourite troll has returned etc etc etc." AH GO BOLLOCKS
Deary me you don't have to be anonimous to be a troll, just with the intent to casue trouble - hence you fit the mould ever so nicely.
Oh love the "coward" comment - surprising how people who think they put their "real name" down think that means they can slag off who they want. No one cares enough to be honest, I'm a bored student who finds you annoying and when I leave uni and get a real job I'l move in different circles and generally be too busy having fun to post on forums. Hence I won't be the one being cowardly.
You're not worth it, you never have been. Years and years spent making snide comments - I hope it has made you feel better at least.
Same Banal repetitive verbal slurry, same primal sentence structure ("Oh you called me a coward, no, YOU'RE the coward, you're not worth my time etc...")
Hello again, I see you still haven't tired of spouting off your doctrine of 'moralise those around me as they are clearly intellectually and spiritually inferior.'
Some constructive criticism: FUCK OFF YOU ANNOYING POMPOUS LITTLE TROLL.
I await generic reply of "Oh look, everyone's favourite troll has returned etc etc etc." AH GO BOLLOCKS
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Re:
by tordenskjold on Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:05 pm
My favourite troll was always the little Dam trolls with the funny hair. I still have one but it is in a Father Christmas outfit so you can't style it. So sad..
Kæmp for alt hvad du har kært,
Dø om så det gælder.
Da er livet ej så svært,
Døden ikke heller.
Dø om så det gælder.
Da er livet ej så svært,
Døden ikke heller.
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by alw6 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:55 pm
I also think mohawk is adorable. i am in his scottish history but unfortunately am not the fit girl he is referring too 
I am doomed to be lonely forever
I am doomed to be lonely foreverI always wanted to be somebody, but now I realise I should have been more specific
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by oldie on Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:15 pm
[s]Thackary wrote on 09:26, 4th Nov 2004:
It's not so much about cowardice, but more to do with identifying people.
What's to stop several people who haven't registered from using the same username (eg simply "unregistered user") - there's no guarantee that they are the same person.
For the sake of alleviating any confusion or ambiguity, it makes sense to register an account. You don't have to tell people what your username is (or even that you use The Sinner at all).
I think people would be more inclined to simply register or use their registered name if certain registered users were forced to obey the rules more than they currently do. ie those who use over the top swearing, who rant and rave and who go out of their way to slag someone off with no additional contribution to the thread - after all these are against the rules of the site aren't they?
If everyone was made to keep to the rules with the certainty that if someone kept breaking the rules that they would be dealt with then I think people would be a lot more confident of voluntarily registering and posting under an account.
Forcing them to do so would result in what is happening at present, many people in halls just not bothering with the site as they can't try it out before signing up, and when they see hostile messages full of swearing or bitching then I can't really blame them for just walking away.
At the moment unregistered posts are moderated before being allowed up, I don't see what is wrong with this system. As for people not putting a name to their post that can be fixed slightly by not allowing people to put nothing in the box where a name should go. People can still nick other people's names but if they are saying something so important that they don't want it to hapen then that is a risk they run if they want to.
As Cain said on another thread though, trolling is certainly not confined to unregistered users, and neither quite clearly is breaking the rules - any post from an unreigstered user that did this could simply not be let through.
There used to be no pressure on people to have to join the sinner as it was seen as unneeded. The sinner is not desperate for more users as far as I can see and with unregistered users being moderated they are technically the only group of people who shouldn't be able to break the rules unnoticed.
By banning unregistered users from posting you may think the numbers will transfer into registered people posting but I can assure you that that would most certainly not be the case. Some people post unregistered so it is easier to walk away from an argument if it gets petty, some because they are known to other people on the board and do not wish to be, others because they do not like others on the board, and many because they do not like the continuos bitchyness of the board and posting unregistered allows you to put your opinion down without being answerable to the kind of person that over reacts completely. Having three acounts to post under would not solve this, merely delay it.
So to sum it up the only viable way to make banning unregistered users work would be to make there no limit on the number of accounts someone could sign up for (at the same time employing the strategy of if you break the rules continously all are shut down).
If on the other hand the suggestion was made to cut down bitchiness on the sinner then I would say that at present only unregisteresd users should be incapable of that. They are already moderated and there are much less unregistered posts than there used to be because of the number of people in halls who have walked away from the site (there is also the mentality of "oh we have to sign up to use this thing, bugger that" which never used to be a problem).
However, amongst registered users who on the whole follow the rules of the site there are those who rather blatantly do not and I would suggest they are the major and for some people only reason that many people either do not register for the site or have stopped posting from an account. It is too much hassle and grief, especially when there is no one seemingly who could just check the threads once a day and see if anyone is breaking the rules.
You shouldn't have to wait for someone to complain as they'l just become unregistered instead and wait until it is a forum that deals with blatant rule breakers off of it's own inititiative.
I'll post this on Cain's thread too where it is a lot more relevant than MOhawk being a donkey....
It's not so much about cowardice, but more to do with identifying people.
What's to stop several people who haven't registered from using the same username (eg simply "unregistered user") - there's no guarantee that they are the same person.
For the sake of alleviating any confusion or ambiguity, it makes sense to register an account. You don't have to tell people what your username is (or even that you use The Sinner at all).
I think people would be more inclined to simply register or use their registered name if certain registered users were forced to obey the rules more than they currently do. ie those who use over the top swearing, who rant and rave and who go out of their way to slag someone off with no additional contribution to the thread - after all these are against the rules of the site aren't they?
If everyone was made to keep to the rules with the certainty that if someone kept breaking the rules that they would be dealt with then I think people would be a lot more confident of voluntarily registering and posting under an account.
Forcing them to do so would result in what is happening at present, many people in halls just not bothering with the site as they can't try it out before signing up, and when they see hostile messages full of swearing or bitching then I can't really blame them for just walking away.
At the moment unregistered posts are moderated before being allowed up, I don't see what is wrong with this system. As for people not putting a name to their post that can be fixed slightly by not allowing people to put nothing in the box where a name should go. People can still nick other people's names but if they are saying something so important that they don't want it to hapen then that is a risk they run if they want to.
As Cain said on another thread though, trolling is certainly not confined to unregistered users, and neither quite clearly is breaking the rules - any post from an unreigstered user that did this could simply not be let through.
There used to be no pressure on people to have to join the sinner as it was seen as unneeded. The sinner is not desperate for more users as far as I can see and with unregistered users being moderated they are technically the only group of people who shouldn't be able to break the rules unnoticed.
By banning unregistered users from posting you may think the numbers will transfer into registered people posting but I can assure you that that would most certainly not be the case. Some people post unregistered so it is easier to walk away from an argument if it gets petty, some because they are known to other people on the board and do not wish to be, others because they do not like others on the board, and many because they do not like the continuos bitchyness of the board and posting unregistered allows you to put your opinion down without being answerable to the kind of person that over reacts completely. Having three acounts to post under would not solve this, merely delay it.
So to sum it up the only viable way to make banning unregistered users work would be to make there no limit on the number of accounts someone could sign up for (at the same time employing the strategy of if you break the rules continously all are shut down).
If on the other hand the suggestion was made to cut down bitchiness on the sinner then I would say that at present only unregisteresd users should be incapable of that. They are already moderated and there are much less unregistered posts than there used to be because of the number of people in halls who have walked away from the site (there is also the mentality of "oh we have to sign up to use this thing, bugger that" which never used to be a problem).
However, amongst registered users who on the whole follow the rules of the site there are those who rather blatantly do not and I would suggest they are the major and for some people only reason that many people either do not register for the site or have stopped posting from an account. It is too much hassle and grief, especially when there is no one seemingly who could just check the threads once a day and see if anyone is breaking the rules.
You shouldn't have to wait for someone to complain as they'l just become unregistered instead and wait until it is a forum that deals with blatant rule breakers off of it's own inititiative.
I'll post this on Cain's thread too where it is a lot more relevant than MOhawk being a donkey....
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by the-enemy on Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:12 pm
i'm pleased to report that MATHSHAWK has been holed up in physics for a while, but thanks to superior's amazing plan and the balls of epsilon and delta he has been safely ejected from his prison. long live MATHSHAWK
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by Superiorjames on Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:17 pm
[s]the-enemy wrote on 15:12, 29th Nov 2004:
i'm pleased to report that MATHSHAWK has been holed up in physics for a while, but thanks to superior's amazing plan and the balls of epsilon and delta he has been safely ejected from his prison. long live MATHSHAWK
Im glad to hear that the-enemy has the balls (and not epsilon or delta ones at that) to acknowledge my return of Mathshawk to his home department. Maybe the-enemy wants to become friends, I mean he has certainly shown his nicer side recently. I repect the-enemy's support of Mathshawk and hope that one day olsen, the-enemy, Mathshawk and edmund can all live together in harmony. If not, then at least I have olsen and Mathshawk's attempts to defeat the-enemy when presented with tiny, tiny, small epsilon balls to look forward to.
Also, when are dirac and edmund going to kiss, iv been waiting a while to see it but nothing has happened yet...
i'm pleased to report that MATHSHAWK has been holed up in physics for a while, but thanks to superior's amazing plan and the balls of epsilon and delta he has been safely ejected from his prison. long live MATHSHAWK
Im glad to hear that the-enemy has the balls (and not epsilon or delta ones at that) to acknowledge my return of Mathshawk to his home department. Maybe the-enemy wants to become friends, I mean he has certainly shown his nicer side recently. I repect the-enemy's support of Mathshawk and hope that one day olsen, the-enemy, Mathshawk and edmund can all live together in harmony. If not, then at least I have olsen and Mathshawk's attempts to defeat the-enemy when presented with tiny, tiny, small epsilon balls to look forward to.
Also, when are dirac and edmund going to kiss, iv been waiting a while to see it but nothing has happened yet...
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by the-enemy on Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:22 pm
[s]Superiorjames wrote on 16:17, 29th Nov 2004:
Also, when are dirac and edmund going to kiss, iv been waiting a while to see it but nothing has happened yet...
they do make a really cute couple...
well superior, i am not really your enemy at all, but lars and i just don't get along all that well, there is a bit of history between us shall we say. but i do approve of the revolutionary genius that is MATHSHAWK, a real legend in the making if ever i saw one.
Also, when are dirac and edmund going to kiss, iv been waiting a while to see it but nothing has happened yet...
they do make a really cute couple...
well superior, i am not really your enemy at all, but lars and i just don't get along all that well, there is a bit of history between us shall we say. but i do approve of the revolutionary genius that is MATHSHAWK, a real legend in the making if ever i saw one.
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by Superiorjames on Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:30 pm
[s]the-enemy wrote on 16:22, 29th Nov 2004:
[s]Superiorjames wrote on 16:17, 29th Nov 2004:[i]
they do make a really cute couple...
well superior, i am not really your enemy at all, but lars and i just don't get along all that well, there is a bit of history between us shall we say. but i do approve of the revolutionary genius that is MATHSHAWK, a real legend in the making if ever i saw one.
I see oh fabled one, im happy to hear that you appreciate the work of Mathshawk. Though im intrigued by this history of yours with olsen, after all he is a nice guy and quite cute at the same time. Id certainly kiss him. Maybe u should get together with olsen some time under the watchful eye of Mathshawk as a mediator and share your epsilon and delta balls between you. This could patch up your troubled history together....
[s]Superiorjames wrote on 16:17, 29th Nov 2004:[i]
they do make a really cute couple...
well superior, i am not really your enemy at all, but lars and i just don't get along all that well, there is a bit of history between us shall we say. but i do approve of the revolutionary genius that is MATHSHAWK, a real legend in the making if ever i saw one.
I see oh fabled one, im happy to hear that you appreciate the work of Mathshawk. Though im intrigued by this history of yours with olsen, after all he is a nice guy and quite cute at the same time. Id certainly kiss him. Maybe u should get together with olsen some time under the watchful eye of Mathshawk as a mediator and share your epsilon and delta balls between you. This could patch up your troubled history together....
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by the-enemy on Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:33 pm
[s]Superiorjames wrote on 16:30, 29th Nov 2004:
I see oh fabled one, im happy to hear that you appreciate the work of Mathshawk. Though im intrigued by this history of yours with olsen, after all he is a nice guy and quite cute at the same time. Id certainly kiss him. Maybe u should get together with olsen some time under the watchful eye of Mathshawk as a mediator and share your epsilon and delta balls between you. This could patch up your troubled history together....
well, we may eventually give it a go, but i still find it rather amusing to burst into his lectures, unnanounced, and give him a hard problem to tackle. i think we have more of a friendly rivalry than utter hatred for each other, but some things are just the way they are...
I see oh fabled one, im happy to hear that you appreciate the work of Mathshawk. Though im intrigued by this history of yours with olsen, after all he is a nice guy and quite cute at the same time. Id certainly kiss him. Maybe u should get together with olsen some time under the watchful eye of Mathshawk as a mediator and share your epsilon and delta balls between you. This could patch up your troubled history together....
well, we may eventually give it a go, but i still find it rather amusing to burst into his lectures, unnanounced, and give him a hard problem to tackle. i think we have more of a friendly rivalry than utter hatred for each other, but some things are just the way they are...
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Re:
by Superiorjames on Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:33 pm
[s]the-enemy wrote on 16:30, 29th Nov 2004:
PS, while I may be getting nicer superior, i will still rip you f@#&ing head off if you forget my notes again!
haha, the enemy-has humour. I guarantee they will be presented to you at the next lecture, iv been so long with them because whenever Iv gone to copy them up, iv had something pressing to do like the essay for economics for example. Thou shalt receive your notes at our next rendez-vous oh enemy of mine...
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PS, while I may be getting nicer superior, i will still rip you f@#&ing head off if you forget my notes again!
haha, the enemy-has humour. I guarantee they will be presented to you at the next lecture, iv been so long with them because whenever Iv gone to copy them up, iv had something pressing to do like the essay for economics for example. Thou shalt receive your notes at our next rendez-vous oh enemy of mine...
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