Traffic Offence

[ARTooD2]

Does anyone know whether a traffic offence (running a red light) would class as a criminal conviction under the rehabilitation of offenders act 1974 or not?

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King Sinner

[Al]

They are convictions but they wouldn't necessarily appear on a criminal record. In England and Wales, minor traffic offences are generally not recordable unless you were arrested at the time. In Scotland, all traffic offences are recordable.

[ARTooD2]

Quoting Al from 22:46, 23rd Jan 2008
They are convictions but they wouldn't necessarily appear on a criminal record. In England and Wales, minor traffic offences are generally not recordable unless you were arrested at the time. In Scotland, all traffic offences are recordable.

Hmmm...just wondering wheter i should declare it as an unspent conviction or not...

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King Sinner

[Al]

Is this for a CRB check or a job application?

[ARTooD2]

Quoting Al from 22:54, 23rd Jan 2008
Is this for a CRB check or a job application?

Job application but i'll also need a basic disclosure apparently...so thats why i'm wondering...

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King Sinner

[Gealle]

Did it go to court? A criminal conviction can only be passed by a bench, I think?


Heaven forbid the pigs should ever be allowed to convict people.

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Oh... I didn't realise it would explode.

[ARTooD2]

Yes it did...foolishness of youth deciding not to pay the fine because I didn't agree with it...

Quoting gealle from 23:05, 23rd Jan 2008
Did it go to court? A criminal conviction can only be passed by a bench, I think?


Heaven forbid the pigs should ever be allowed to convict people.

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Oh... I didn't realise it would explode.

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King Sinner

[Tweedle-Dum]

In which case you can look forward to disclosing a pathetic and unimportant conviction on job applications for a wee while. Why they can't catch real criminals I have no idea.

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Tetragrammaton is a four letter word.

[ARTooD2]

Quoting Tweedle-Dum from 23:14, 23rd Jan 2008
In which case you can look forward to disclosing a pathetic and unimportant conviction on job applications for a wee while. Why they can't catch real criminals I have no idea.

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Tetragrammaton is a four letter word.

Cheers muchly...just wanted to know so I didn't get shouted at when it came through on a disclosure

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King Sinner

[tordenskjold]

I was given three points on my licence and a fine for speeding in Cumbria nearly three years back. Quite soon after I was applying to renew my firearms and shotgun certificates, I had to put that down on there as a conviction. I also thought that it had to go to court to count as a conviction but when I talked to my firearms officer he said no, it has to go on the application. By then I had already applied and the permits had been renewed and the Police hadn't noticed. ha! I was told not to do it again though (speed, or forget to put it on my application).

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Dø om så det gælder.
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[Gealle]

I know this comes down to semantic pendanticism, but a conviction should not be summarily handed out by one of HM finest rogues. It should rest with the justiciary...


Nevertheless, that sucks ARToo Fingers crossed for your job hunt though

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Oh... I didn't realise it would explode.

[exnihilo]

When did it happen? That coupled with the severity determines whether or not it is spent under the ROA - at least it does for Disclosure purposes. The system automatically weeds convictions according to a formula.

Yes, I temped for them at one point. Kill me.

[ARTooD2]

Quoting exnihilo from 11:40, 24th Jan 2008
When did it happen? That coupled with the severity determines whether or not it is spent under the ROA - at least it does for Disclosure purposes. The system automatically weeds convictions according to a formula.

Yes, I temped for them at one point. Kill me.

It was less than 5 years ago which I believe is the time for fines and thanks gealle [img]littleicons/yellowtounge.gif[/img]

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King Sinner

[exnihilo]

It is. Bad luck.

[Mr_Big_Dave]

If you had just paid the fine...

[ARTooD2]

indeed....I did try at the beginning but they wouldn't take it because I couldn't find the card bit of my liscence....gah....

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King Sinner

[exnihilo]

Even a simple fine could still appear. If this is Basic disclosure, however, there's a good chance it won't at all. Only on Enhanced does absolutely everything get disclosed.

[Okocim]

The nature of my job (Recruitment Manager for a charity providing social care) means that I read through people's disclosures on a very regular basis. If we've gone to the bother and expense of requesting one, it means that we're pretty keen to hire that person and the only reasons we would refuse to do so following disclosure would be

a) Something is uncovered that suggests the applicant is unsuitable to work with vulnerable people
b) It is apparent that the applicant has deliberatly falsified or neglected to inform us of stuff that should have been in their self-declaration.

Therefore, whilst I imagine that the job you're going for is probably quite different to the ones I recruit for, I'd still say that you're better safe than sorry. Mention the previous conviction on your self-declaration and gain brownie points from your potential employer for honesty. At the end of the day, unless the job requires a squeaky-clean driving license, they're probably not going to reject you on the basis of it.