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Postby StrangeQuark on Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:13 pm

Article in the news today: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 88,00.html

What is the board's views on censorship for "the common good"?

"Won't someone think of the children?!">> Rev. Lovejoy's wife.

Violent movies, games and videos are so often used as scapegoats by people who don't like to think that their follow humans can be capable of violent or unpleasant acts without any external influence.

It seems to me that there was violence before computer games and if and when they become unfashionable I can't imagine violence ending. The "evidence" against media violence seems to consist entirely of annecdotes suggesting, for example, that a rapist was obsessed with "A clockwork orange" or an armed robber with "Grand theft auto". This looks to me like faulty cause and effect; a violent individual is likely to be attracted to these movies and games. It's like me suggesting that "based on my observations, wearing huge pants makes you fat" since fat people tend to wear huge pants.

I have watched "a clockwork orange" and "Ichi the killer" and I can go for weeks without killing anyone.
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Postby Haunted on Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:52 pm

Watching Dungeons and Dragons almost drove me to severe homocide
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Postby Prophet Tenebrae on Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:45 pm

Sounds like bad parents trying to make themselves feel better. As usual.
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Postby Anon. on Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:22 pm

[s]Haunted wrote on 16:52, 29th Jul 2004:
Watching Dungeons and Dragons almost drove me to severe homocide


I know absolutely nothing about Dungeons and Dragons, but I can't say I ever expected to learn that it was so violently anti-gay.
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Postby Cain on Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:13 pm

There's a segment in "Foley is Good", the second "memoir" of a former WWF wrestler, Mick Foley, where he talks about people blaming wrestling for violence among children, and more specifically, children who beat other children and blame wrestling.

his response, and one that is kind of hard to argue with is "where were the parents? Don't they watch TV with their kids? or do they leave the kids with the TV as a "babysitter"

it's very easy to blame things like this on "bad influences" or "video nasties", but you should also remember that parents are there to stop those bad influences affecting their children in a negative way.
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Postby Slash wannabe on Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:38 pm

...but violent computer games let us kill people from the comfort of a chair and a screen. Why get up and go outside when you have a nice output inside...

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Postby Cain on Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:45 pm

[s]Slash wannabe wrote on 21:38, 29th Jul 2004:
...but violent computer games let us kill people from the comfort of a chair and a screen. Why get up and go outside when you have a nice output inside...


sometimes if you feel like taking your aggression out on something, tapping away at keys just doesn't give you the release.

right now i'm playing ROTK on the PC, and pretty much after every game i'm come out of my room waving with an imaginary sword (or pair of equally imaginary knives).

after a while of being immersed in a vodeo game environment you can mentally "stay" there when you leave it.
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Postby LC on Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:38 pm

[s]Cain wrote on 21:45, 29th Jul 2004:

sometimes if you feel like taking your aggression out on something, tapping away at keys just doesn't give you the release.

right now i'm playing ROTK on the PC, and pretty much after every game i'm come out of my room waving with an imaginary sword (or pair of equally imaginary knives).

after a while of being immersed in a vodeo game environment you can mentally "stay" there when you leave it.


This is why they dont let you play outside with the other patients.
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Postby Humphrey on Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:45 pm

Having become obsessed with that scene in Commando where Arnold Schwarzenegger dispatches an entire squad of guerrillas with a handful of garden tools he finds in a nearby shed, I went and stabbed someone with a rake. So yeah although movies aren’t what makes you violent, they do give you some bloody good ideas.

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Postby Chain Mailer on Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:23 pm

This is bollocks! Its just an excuse for parents to shove the blame onto someone else. Also if a person is so feebleminded as to be controlled totally by a game?!?! Then people should have locked them away an age ago.
Plus, though I dont wish to put the blame anywhere else, it does say that the kid was walking around with the murder weapons and dope! Hello!
I mean, wasnt there an article about a guy who stabbed himself to death when he was doped up coz he thought he was invisible?
An intoxicated mind is probably more to blame then any game!

(ps this is not a dig at the canabis nation, just a suggestion)




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