Surely if you want to vote for the third of fourth option you have to vote for the second option too?
Shouldn't there be an additional vote for those who believe in god the way he is presented? Or at least clarify what is meant by 'god' in this specific case?
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by LonelyPilgrim on Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:30 pm
Haha... I read the poll and I see 'bananafide' and I can not escape the image of a large bearded banana speaking to the Israelites out of the heavens and spliting the Red Sea by smacking it with a peel...
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by JAK on Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:33 pm
[s]LonelyPilgrim wrote on 19:30, 28th Dec 2004:
Haha... I read the poll and I see 'bananafide' and I can not escape the image of a large bearded banana speaking to the Israelites out of the heavens and spliting the Red Sea by smacking it with a peel...
Bonafide, my friend, bonafide...
Isn't Bona fide two words? I noticed the mistake too, and thought that it had to be deliberate.
Haha... I read the poll and I see 'bananafide' and I can not escape the image of a large bearded banana speaking to the Israelites out of the heavens and spliting the Red Sea by smacking it with a peel...
Bonafide, my friend, bonafide...
Isn't Bona fide two words? I noticed the mistake too, and thought that it had to be deliberate.
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by David Bean on Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:38 pm
I think the answer to the 'which god' question is simply the conception of god that the voter happens to hold. Either that, or he really did mean an infinitely large banana.
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by JAK on Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:43 pm
This 'thred' has changed interestingly, from Christian bashing to debates on whether religions and beliefs in general are good or bad, to talking about infinite bananas.
Anyone else feel like this is something of an anticlimax?
Anyone else feel like this is something of an anticlimax?
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by JAK on Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:56 pm
[s]exnihilo wrote on 19:44, 28th Dec 2004:
Ah, but no, because Rob wants proof of the Christian conception of God. Because there can be no other - either the Christian one or his own peculiar brand of non-belief. Odd choice.
What about the banana?
Ah, but no, because Rob wants proof of the Christian conception of God. Because there can be no other - either the Christian one or his own peculiar brand of non-belief. Odd choice.
What about the banana?
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by Rob Hearn on Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:23 pm
Sorry not to have been clear: either proof of the existence of the christian god, or proof of the banana thing.
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by Grandpa on Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:02 pm
I'll combine a few answers here, to your, ahem, bananafide
from JAK:
Surely if you want to vote for the third of fourth option you have to vote for the second option too?
but Mr Bean replies in the affirmative, stating rightly that it is indeed not bananas thatI was talking about! (i.e.the answer to the 'which god' question is simply the conception of god that the voter happens to hold)
And this is an interesting point:
(again from JAK...)
This 'thred' has changed interestingly, from Christian bashing to debates on whether religions and beliefs in general are good or bad, to talking about infinite bananas.
But, and I say verily unto you, here is not the debate whether or not religion is a good or bad thing, it is precisely that "Can we prove the existence of god?" and if, as Rob implies, there can be no proof of existance of any deity, then the argument is most certainly not defunct, rather it will lead us to more and more questions. The next it begs of us is to answer "Is religion justified?"
Do I need explain? Maybe (and maybe not) and I shall. If no god can be proven (which we assume as true/valid or whatever) then is religion, esp. in this case Christianity, challenged? If Christianity is challenged, is not also the specific belief in a god of those who follow it?
You see, the debate is not implicitly about religion, as we can have religion without this god, but it is about the nature and validity of god as personified, idealised and revered entity in such a way as Christianity does.
Answer on a postcard to ''this thread'' at ''this webseite'' please!
from JAK:
Surely if you want to vote for the third of fourth option you have to vote for the second option too?
but Mr Bean replies in the affirmative, stating rightly that it is indeed not bananas thatI was talking about! (i.e.the answer to the 'which god' question is simply the conception of god that the voter happens to hold)
And this is an interesting point:
(again from JAK...)
This 'thred' has changed interestingly, from Christian bashing to debates on whether religions and beliefs in general are good or bad, to talking about infinite bananas.
But, and I say verily unto you, here is not the debate whether or not religion is a good or bad thing, it is precisely that "Can we prove the existence of god?" and if, as Rob implies, there can be no proof of existance of any deity, then the argument is most certainly not defunct, rather it will lead us to more and more questions. The next it begs of us is to answer "Is religion justified?"
Do I need explain? Maybe (and maybe not) and I shall. If no god can be proven (which we assume as true/valid or whatever) then is religion, esp. in this case Christianity, challenged? If Christianity is challenged, is not also the specific belief in a god of those who follow it?
You see, the debate is not implicitly about religion, as we can have religion without this god, but it is about the nature and validity of god as personified, idealised and revered entity in such a way as Christianity does.
Answer on a postcard to ''this thread'' at ''this webseite'' please!
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by 30 on Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:09 pm
[s]JAK wrote on 20:30, 28th Dec 2004:
Well, I saw a really big banana once... I don't think it had a beard, though, does that count?
NO, it most certainly needs the beard. How otherwise could it even come close to being godlike? Any good god needs a beard, we all know that!
I ask you, these heathens. Let's have another Crusade, oh, I forgot, Bush is already doing that for us.
Well, I saw a really big banana once... I don't think it had a beard, though, does that count?
NO, it most certainly needs the beard. How otherwise could it even come close to being godlike? Any good god needs a beard, we all know that!
I ask you, these heathens. Let's have another Crusade, oh, I forgot, Bush is already doing that for us.
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by Rennie on Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:23 pm
Does anyone have reliable figures on the number of atheists and christians etc in the world? Or just the UK? I read that only about 2% of the population goes to church in the UK.
To me, this seems like a lot of the population are atheists? (discounting people of other religions, as that makes it complicated). Is my assumption wrong?
If not, and I think it isn't, then exnilho saying that Rob has a peculiar take on God is incorrect, it's a view shared by the majority of people in the UK.
My thinking on this subject is similar to Rob's. Unless I see some proof that God exists (any basic or mild proof will do - or just ANYTHING), except for a load of old books or the Virgin Mary in a piece of toast, then I'm an atheist.
Show me some proof of God, and I'll believe. And so will all other atheists (well, the vast majority).
Therefore, if God exists, why doesn't he just solve all these religious wars and questions and just show himself? It would solve a whole lot of problems.
He would then have everyone believing in him, and so the world would be a much better place as people would follow the bible to the letter, as they would have a great afterlife. So, why doesn't God do it?
Either a) He doesn't exist, or b) some shite about having true faith in God and he will show himself to you. or c) He will do someday, just not yet.
Which one is it?
To me, this seems like a lot of the population are atheists? (discounting people of other religions, as that makes it complicated). Is my assumption wrong?
If not, and I think it isn't, then exnilho saying that Rob has a peculiar take on God is incorrect, it's a view shared by the majority of people in the UK.
My thinking on this subject is similar to Rob's. Unless I see some proof that God exists (any basic or mild proof will do - or just ANYTHING), except for a load of old books or the Virgin Mary in a piece of toast, then I'm an atheist.
Show me some proof of God, and I'll believe. And so will all other atheists (well, the vast majority).
Therefore, if God exists, why doesn't he just solve all these religious wars and questions and just show himself? It would solve a whole lot of problems.
He would then have everyone believing in him, and so the world would be a much better place as people would follow the bible to the letter, as they would have a great afterlife. So, why doesn't God do it?
Either a) He doesn't exist, or b) some shite about having true faith in God and he will show himself to you. or c) He will do someday, just not yet.
Which one is it?
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by JAK on Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:34 pm
I think it's rather wrong to say that all of those who don't go to church regulary are atheists. I think many people believe in a god of some kind, yet do not attend an orgainsed thing, or are too busy, etc.
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