Classic Knock Back from the Offy

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It will also be illegal to purchase alcohol using your green, or provisional, biometric ID card. You shall not be able to exchange money for alcoholic goods until you have sat your citizenship test and are in posession of the correct pink ID card.

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[Lid]

Big Flayrewearer is watching you.

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[Biitchboy]

I was once IDed trying to buy ginger beer from Tesco. I just laughed until she backed down.

[I'm going to Peru!!!]

As someone who works in Alldays the company policy with regard to age-restricted sales is in line with the Governments new drinkaware campaign its not a policy made up just to annoy students.
If someone looks under 21 they are to be asked for ID for any age restricted product i.e. Cigarettes, Lottery and Booze.
We have to cover our backs because if we sell booze to an underage person then we can be fined and face a court appearance. simple.
Obviously we can't ID everyone but if you do get asked for ID then don't go into a strop just accept the fact that the sales assistant thinks you look under 21.
With regard to provisonals I've never heard of this checking system that some people think Bottoms Up have but there some really fake looking provisionals and we have to use our judgement.
As a matter of fact company policy is actually not to accept any student ID because a lot of student ID is very easy to fake, however, in Alldays our manager has said we can accept it. so when Bottoms Up etc have refused matric cards thats the reason.
Also with regard to trading standards sending in youngsters i know people that have done that job and they pick people who are all ages i.e a good mate of mine is 19 and he is sent round Alldays stores to check they are sticking to the 21 policy.

[Bizarre Atheist]

Jamaican bartender1: You got ID?
Me: Why yes of course sir, here is my full British driving license. (which verified that I was 18)
Jamaican bartender1: (to my identical twin brother standing next to me) How bout you?
Bro: No, er, I haven't. But we're twins - look - same face, same moles, same hair.
Jamaican bartender1: No alcohol for you.

And now a different occasion.

Jamaican bartender2: (As I approach bar) No alcohol for you.
Me: But I have ID - here is my driving licence.
Jamaican bartender2: You're not 18. No alcohol for you.
Me: Read my ID! It says right there that I'm 18!!
Jamaican bartender2: No alcohol for you.

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[Fawksie]

Quoting I'm going to Peru!!! from 13:49, 1st May 2006
If someone looks under 21 they are to be asked for ID for any age restricted product i.e. Cigarettes, Lottery and Booze.

I don't see the point of this scheme at all. If I go to buy alcohol, I have to be 18, not 21. If I go to buy a lottery ticket, I have to be 16, not 21. Could someone explain what it's supposed to achieve? Is it designed to lower the rate of "false positives" so to speak by forcing staff to ID everyone looking under 21? I've never been ID'd in Tesco for example, they must think I look old

[Bonnie]

I believe I posted again, which you did not read or understand, saying that if the cards could be scanned, then they should be considered formal identification.

What you also did not understand was my question as to why there is no identification for ANYONE who would like it, even if they have aboslutely no intention to ever drive? You have a provisional, that's great, but can't you think of reasons why someone over 16 would want identification but is otherwise unable to get even a provisional?

The anti-identification card movement currently in Britain mainly focuses not wanting biometric cards with all the other extra features which could risk the right to privacy. It does NOT include a movement against being able to prove one's age if one wants to.

Quoting Lid from 00:19, 30th Apr 2006

Quoting Bonnie from 17:49, 29th Apr 2006
Pretty soon, (as I have been informed), it will be illegal to carry your passport around unless you are coming to or from abroad. So you won't be able to use that in a bottle shop either.

I wouldn't carry my passport, unless I were about to leave the country. Passports are international ID, whereas driving licences are european at best.

It's probably the government's way to justify needing an identification card system.

What?! You mean our government would introduce legislation to make their already passed legislation look now legitimate. Burn the heretic.

Bonnie: I have a provisional driving licence. This is issued by the DVLA. They are issued precisely the same as full driving licences, save for one is printed on green, one is printed on pink. There are no changes in security features, each has the same security.

Now here's another "I'm American, learn from us" thing.

Why doesn't every card have on the back a little swipe strip and then anyone who needs to check the vailidity of a card swipes it through a machine and a database tells them whether its real?

Now here's a "We're british, learn from us" technique. How much will that cost?! The rollout even in this size of country would be tremendously high. In the UK, we have one State, the crown state, thus it is not necessary, because, all DVLA driving licences look the same. All it needs is for someone to put it under UV light.

Just read through the rest of the posts and realised there is something like this in place-- but why don't they use them. Provisional IDs are thus just as fake-proof!

PRECISELY the same security features, one is printed on green, one is printed on pink.

But what about people who never will/want to/ whatever get into the driver's seat of a car? I think even 10 year olds should get these, if their parents want them but when they scan through- the screen says-- this person is 10 years old.

Driving licences are for people eligible to drive (ie those over 16, 17 for cars). 10 year olds can't drive. Let's not create an argument that is pro-ID Cards here...

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[Bonnie]

I don't make the rules, honey.
I don't even vote for the bastards who make the rules.
I could be mistaken, but I believe the reasoning revolves around passports being harder to steal and thus identity theft much harder if they're not on people's persons.

Quoting maenad from 01:36, 30th Apr 2006
What the hell? Why would it be illegal to 'carry your passport around'? I will be screwed until we get our Big Brother cards then, because I don't see why I should shell out for a provisional driving licence that some places don't even accept.

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[lifesothersecret]

The clerk in Bottoms Up tried to tell me you can get a switch card at 16.. Ha!

(I am actually sad enough to have checked this at the bank afterwards)

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[munchingfoo]

Erm - dude - you can get a switch card at 14 with some accounts.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4963098.stm

Perhaps the anal approach to ID has something to do with the aforementioned "year long pilot study"

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Quoting munchingfoo from 13:13, 2nd May 2006
Erm - dude - you can get a switch card at 14 with some accounts.

I thought that Switch was only available from 18, but Solo and/or Visa Electron were available from younger ages? Both of the latter require electronic authorisation from the issuing bank (to prevent the user withdrawing more money than they have), and are supposed to be for cardholder-present transactions only, although in principal this isn't always adhired to.

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[womble chris]

Only time ive been refused in past few years was a couple of months ago at Alldays. Im 21.5 years old and dont look young (nor old, in fact about 21 id say).

I hand over 6 beers. He say's have i any ID. I dont as i had recently lost my wallet. Fair enough, i can accept being refused for that. Although the odds of my being 17 or less are about 0.5%, then do have the whole 'if you look under 21 we ask'.

But what really pissed me off was that the people served in front of me were no older than 16, without a doubt, at the oldest 16. They bought some alcopops and were fine.

When the Alldays man said i couldnt buy it without ID i said something like 'okay, not sounding funny but you just sold drinks to those guys who were about 15'. He the pauses for about 3/4 seconds and says, clearly making it up, 'oh, ive IDed them in the past'. Now im probably the least confrontational person ever, but i really wanted my booze, and it was simply incredible that they let those 2 kids buy booze, so i replied 'they must of been using fake ID' then muttered 'this is ridiculous' as i walked out.

I went to offsales and bought the beers. I refuse to go to Alldays now out of principle of them clearly selling to underage kids and not letting me, a 21 year old, buy booze.




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[Lid]

Quoting orudge from 18:09, 2nd May 2006
I thought that Switch was only available from 18, but Solo and/or Visa Electron were available from younger ages?

Depends on the bank. One of my friends has had a Switch from age 16, but I think it depends on how much your regular income amounts to, as it acts as a cheque guarantee card too, in nearly all cases.

It did amuse me though, after having both matric card (I admit, understandable) and driving licence refused, that I was waiting in the queue to pay with Visa, something all issuing banks will only issue to over-18s.

I've sent nice letters off to Thresher Group, who own Bottoms Up, and Portman Group, as they are not abiding by the Portman Group thingy they say they do.

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Royal Bank switched me up age 17, which was nice.

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