How many people have you slept with in the university? Honestly?

[Raindog]

I slept with Andy Grayland. But he was a dead ride.

[rob 'f*ck off' wine boy]

But Grayland...you told me I was special

[orudge]

"***"? I believe, as grown-ups, we can use the word "sex", no?

Edit: oh, "*=work computer", didn't see that.

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http://www.owenrudge.net/
http://standrews.facebook.com/profile.php?id=37103734

[LonelyPilgrim]

I'm of the opinion that one should focus more on quality than quantity in things carnal, but then I'm rather old fashioned like that.

Perhaps I should change my handle to DirtyLuddite...

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Man is free; yet we must not suppose that he is at liberty to do everything he pleases, for he becomes a slave the moment he allows his actions to be ruled by passion. --Giacomo Casanova

[novium]

maybe I'm just misunderstanding the *** but I thought (drunken) one night stands were casual sex? Even the very definition...?

Quoting *=work computer from 15:52, 25th Jun 2008
Ugh St. Andrews is not the place to find ***
I had nearly 4 times as much *** my senior or sophmore year of highschool than 2 years at university.
And it has nothing to do with the size. The truth is people at St. Andrews are pretty conservative when it comes to *** relations. Stuff that I would have considerd mundane back home here is considerd wild and scandalas while stuff that would have been considerd that at home is considerd borderline psychotic.
In general at st. andrews "casual ***" consits of some guy or girl meeting at a bar or a party then having drunk *** and regretting it the next day or bragging to their friends. How boring is that?

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Neither the storms of crisis, nor the breezes of ambition could ever divert him, either by hope or by fear, from the course that he had chosen

[LonelyPilgrim]

Quoting *=work computer from 15:52, 25th Jun 2008
Ugh St. Andrews is not the place to find ***

Stuff that I would have considerd mundane back home here is considerd wild and scandalas while stuff that would have been considerd that at home is considerd borderline psychotic.

Where the devil did you go to high school, then? Marquis de Sade General High?

Perhaps being in a committed relationship most of my time at St Andrews prevented me from getting a true appreciation of the scene, but I thought St A's was rather racy by the standards of my hometown... (and no snickering from those who know where that is...)

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Man is free; yet we must not suppose that he is at liberty to do everything he pleases, for he becomes a slave the moment he allows his actions to be ruled by passion. --Giacomo Casanova

[novium]

too late, lonelypilgrim. You should have said 'no snickering' first.

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Neither the storms of crisis, nor the breezes of ambition could ever divert him, either by hope or by fear, from the course that he had chosen

[LonelyPilgrim]

Quoting novium from 18:38, 29th Jun 2008
too late, lonelypilgrim. You should have said 'no snickering' first.

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Neither the storms of crisis, nor the breezes of ambition could ever divert him, either by hope or by fear, from the course that he had chosen

Hey, people get up to some serious sinnin' around these here parts, let me tell you. It's just they feel horribly guilty about it afterwards and work out their issues by beating some sort of minority before the Friday game...

(when there's no one to beat, they pile into pickup trucks with their shotguns and go Stop sign hunting...)

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Man is free; yet we must not suppose that he is at liberty to do everything he pleases, for he becomes a slave the moment he allows his actions to be ruled by passion. --Giacomo Casanova

[papercutheart]

As it turns out, people think I've slept with a lot more people than I have...

[crystalclear]

[quote]Quoting *=work computer from 15:52, 25th Jun 2008
The truth is people at St. Andrews are pretty conservative when it comes to *** relations.

This is what I think aswell, and part of why I started this topic... people in this town are conservative about sex. I mean, i almost feel like I am a freak for having any kind of sex life at all here. When I know that if I was anywhere else it wouldn't even be up for debate. And the problem clearly isn't the town.. it is people's attitudes to sex. Obviously I am generalizing here, but going by some of the people I have met, I think that people are quite frigid, and at times just down right immature about sex. Either that, or there is stuff going on that just doesn't get talked about. And giving the gossipy nature of this town, I find that quite hard to believe.


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Irresistibly Smooth.

[crystalclear]

Quoting *=work computer from 15:52, 25th Jun 2008
The truth is people at St. Andrews are pretty conservative when it comes to *** relations.

This is what I think aswell, and part of why I started this topic... people in this town are conservative about sex. I mean, i almost feel like I am a freak for having any kind of sex life at all here. When I know that if I was anywhere else it wouldn't even be up for debate. And the problem clearly isn't the town.. it is people's attitudes to sex. Obviously I am generalizing here, but going by some of the people I have met, I think that people are quite frigid, and at times just down right immature about sex. Either that, or there is stuff going on that just doesn't get talked about. And giving the gossipy nature of this town, I find that quite hard to believe.

[Jono]

Quoting crystalclear from 18:08, 30th Jun 2008

Quoting *=work computer from 15:52, 25th Jun 2008
The truth is people at St. Andrews are pretty conservative when it comes to *** relations.

This is what I think aswell, and part of why I started this topic... people in this town are conservative about sex. I mean, i almost feel like I am a freak for having any kind of sex life at all here. When I know that if I was anywhere else it wouldn't even be up for debate. And the problem clearly isn't the town.. it is people's attitudes to sex. Obviously I am generalizing here, but going by some of the people I have met, I think that people are quite frigid, and at times just down right immature about sex. Either that, or there is stuff going on that just doesn't get talked about. And giving the gossipy nature of this town, I find that quite hard to believe.

Or perhaps, Just perhaps, sex is, remains, and always has been a very private affair?

As they said during the sexual revolution, "More orgies are talked about than ever actually happened". I've always found it tiresome to measure one's validity to the world against something so easily embellished, exaggerated, and outright lied about than the number of people you've had in bed! There are many ways to measure a man. I'd like to think the phallic measurement is one reserved for smutty kiss & tell merchants, and sociologists with a Freudian preoccupation!

If you've had five people, then that's your business. There's no such thing as "Normal". My sexual partners for example; based on the subsequent issues that emerged consist of more people than I should have bothered with!


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I disagree with you in principle.

[the Empress]

Quoting crystalclear from 18:08, 30th Jun 2008
but going by some of the people I have met, I think that people are quite frigid,

What a stupid thing to say. Oh yeah not being with someone or not talking about it . . . they *must* be frigid. Sheesh, couldn't be for any other reason. Idiot.

[LonelyPilgrim]

CrystalClear:

Either St Andrews has changed dramatically in the three years since I left, or you've somehow managed to become insulated from the normal goings on.

Speaking from my own experience, no shortage of meaningless 'fun' was offered to me in my time there. And that was without my even looking for it, since I am admittedly one of those 'frigid' types, aka an American from a 'red' state.

Then again, perhaps my perception was permanently set by my first night in St A's. I couldn't go to sleep, so I went down to the New Hall lobby to see if anything was going on at 4.30. I spoke with a young man, who seemed rather worn out, who claimed to be on his way to a rendezvous with his fifth lady of the night.

I think it's fair to say that one's perceptions depend entirely on what segment of the St Andrews population you hang around with. Not to pass judgement, but if you're looking to be surrounded by action and the accompanying drama, join one of the theatre societies...

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Man is free; yet we must not suppose that he is at liberty to do everything he pleases, for he becomes a slave the moment he allows his actions to be ruled by passion. --Giacomo Casanova

[Hennessy]

Roll on freshers week when it more sweet young meat is added to the pirahna pool of eligible honours and postgrad students cruising for a good time.
And just in case you miss that window of opportunity there is always raisin weekend it seems...hence the rampant inbreeding of many an academic family.

On a sidenote the vic has become quite grotesque, the other day, and not for the first time, I noticed that corner by the smoking garden door opposite the bar where overweight balding 50 year olds congregate to leer at the young girls and buy them free drinks...is it like that during term-time? I never go there usually.


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"What happened to Spoon?"
"There is no Spoon"
Dog Soldiers

[Andy Monkey B]

Quoting crystalclear from 18:08, 30th Jun 2008it is people's attitudes to sex. Obviously I am generalizing here, but going by some of the people I have met, I think that people are quite frigid, and at times just down right immature about sex.

I've never associated frigidity with an immature attitude to sex. frankly, sometimes the more immature people are the more sexually active they are. Yes on the other end of the spectrum there is the mature, sex-in-the-city style person, or the James Bond person who are about as mature and promiscuous as you get (not that i ever watch Sex in the City). I guess its all about the attitude really.

In some ways St Andrews could be seen to have a healthy attitude to sex. The people I have met anyway by and large are making sensible choices to have sex or not to have sex. I cant say for sure but I think very few people are pressured into having sex or into decisions they will later regret in the same way as in school days.

Above it all though, i think people sometimes realise how absolutely hilarious sex is sometimes! The way society has us chasing it all the time, jumping through hoops, wearing branded deodorant, shaving like Henri or Tiger woods and getting bits sliced off, sucked out or pumped up just to get laid is almost farcical. Its pretty grim humour though.

[crystalclear]

Quoting LonelyPilgrim from 00:09, 1st Jul 2008
I think it's fair to say that one's perceptions depend entirely on what segment of the St Andrews population you hang around with.

I think you're right, because thinking about it, during first semester of this year i mostly hung out with scottish people. And a lot of them, because of the nature of the scottish system, weren't even 18 yet and so were perhaps not all that experienced/active. They used to be fairly shocked when I mentioned some of what I got up to. It is probably these people that led me to say before what I now see was a massive generalization that people here are frigid. I mean it was only a suggestion... so ouch for the idiot comment.

It's safe to say I'm not friends with them anymore and I have met lots of new and interesting people who all completely vary in their sexual activity. When all's said and done, I think people should be able to have as much or as little sex as they want without fear of judgment. I mean, ultimately it's nobody else's business but your own.

[Frank]

Quoting Andy Monkey B from 01:18, 2nd Jul 2008

The people I have met anyway by and large are making sensible choices to have sex or not to have sex. I cant say for sure but I think very few people are pressured into having sex or into decisions they will later regret in the same way as in school days.

I think I agree here. My experience tallies that, plenty or none or anywhere in between, I've rarely come across an overburdening pressure to go one way or the next. I imagine it exists, but for my part I haven't noticed it.

To draw up a tiring cliche, one might argue the CU (or any other [little c-]conservative religious community hereabouts) would be an oppressive anti-sex atmosphere, yet in my time I've never encountered any examples of it.

Popular myth is one thing, but having known a fair few people from a fair few (for want of a better phrase) specialist backgrounds, I'm surprised not to have encountered (or known people who encountered) much pressure one way or another.

(Of course, St Andrews could have many oppressive camps [easily-]imaginable...the idea of a super promiscuous LGBT and a supercelibate CU are certainly easy to concot, but whether that's the reality...I've no evidence or hint!)

CrsytalClear, your sentence "It's safe to say I'm not friends with them anymore and I have met lots of new and interesting people who all completely vary in their sexual activity." puzzles me. You're 'safe' (not literally that you were in danger, of course) because you're not friends with the 'frigid' ones anymore? A curious turn of phrase. One would've expected a Sinner to be out there corrupting all and sundry...

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"There is only ever one truth. Things are always black or white, there's no such thing as a shade of grey. If you think that something is a shade of grey it simply means that you don't fully understand the situation. The truth is narrow and the path of the pursuit of truth is similarly narrow."
Also, some years later:
"here we are arguing about a few uppity troublemakers with a bee in their bonnet and a conspiracy theory."

[LonelyPilgrim]

Frank, the phrase "It's safe to say..." is synonymous with "It's needless to say..." or "Obviously..." It doesn't actually have anything to do with being removed from a previous danger.

I suppose, perhaps, it means 'safe' in teh sense of "I'm in no danger of being called a liar when I say..." It really is one of those common and basically meaningless phrases that pepper our everyday speech.

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Man is free; yet we must not suppose that he is at liberty to do everything he pleases, for he becomes a slave the moment he allows his actions to be ruled by passion. --Giacomo Casanova

[rob 'f*ck off' wine boy]

This place has become a den of the most desperate form of bumbanditry.