Reiki in St Andrews

[Guest]

I've learnt a bit about Reiki froma friend at home but not a lot, it's something that I'd really like to learn more about though. Does anyone know of an Reiki mastersd in St Andrews?

[Dark_Soul]

I've always been really interested in this too. Have you ever had it performed on you? It feels so weird!


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[Frank]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki#Scientific_research

Yes. My mum does it. She holds her hands and me and the weird feeling is something I've come to know as quite closely related to feeling...ridiculous.

Mechanism? Evidence? Efficacy?

It appears to be wishful thinking veiled as something that can heal people. Not only misleading, but I'd say morally questionable too.

If my mum is to be believed, it's possible that it can be done at a distance of many miles.

http://skepdic.com/reiki.html

Really. For what its worth, I can teach you Uber Frankanotamy. It's an old technqiue which is totally natural. The original documents were written by Sir Francis Drake and its been passed down ever since. Anyone who doesn't believe it is an idiot and it can cure everything. And anything it can't cure isn't a real problem, you've got to want to be cured. People who don't believe this cause interference, that's why science can't detect it. But it's scientifically proven and is based on quantum empathy at the sub-molecular level!

I'll teach you for only ten pounds a lesson or three lessons for fifty quid. No money back, guarunteed!

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"There is only ever one truth. Things are always black or white, there's no such thing as a shade of grey. If you think that something is a shade of grey it simply means that you don't fully understand the situation. The truth is narrow and the path of the pursuit of truth is similarly narrow."
Also, some years later:
"here we are arguing about a few uppity troublemakers with a bee in their bonnet and a conspiracy theory."

[Rosanna]

No need for that really, was there?

[Frank]

Quoting Rosanna from 14:44, 4th May 2008
No need for that really, was there?

Yes, you could say that about Reiki...

Regardless, like many folks on the internet, I use it to let off steam. Fortunately for me, Reiki is quite a valid thing to criticise. I can do it without letting off steam too.

There's really very little (to no)merit in Reiki. I think a little intellectual honesty isn't entirely unwelcome on the Sinner, and my advice is, really, steer well clear of it. It's unsupported hokey.

Hobby or not, believing it or not. The phrase 'What harm can it do?' is really pertinent I'd say. Healing? Really?


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"There is only ever one truth. Things are always black or white, there's no such thing as a shade of grey. If you think that something is a shade of grey it simply means that you don't fully understand the situation. The truth is narrow and the path of the pursuit of truth is similarly narrow."
Also, some years later:
"here we are arguing about a few uppity troublemakers with a bee in their bonnet and a conspiracy theory."

[Tigger]

Reiki is pish.
That is all.

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[rob 'f*ck off' wine boy]

http://www.spoilyourself.fsnet.co.uk/index.htm

Looks like they're in Largo though. Doesn't seem to be anywhere that does it in St A's

[munchingfoo]

Whilst I don't believe in the effects of Reiki I have actually witnessed it working in practice.

Weird, right? I just can't get my head to believe what my eyes have seen.

My mum is a Reiki master and, whilst she was learning on a Hebridean island, she performed Reiki on my stepfather who was in Fife. Apparently you can do this (wtf) without the other person even knowing about it.

Anyway - my stepdad has had a lump on his hand for about 20 years. After my mum did this Reiki via proxy shite, it disappeared.

You can't put this down to placebo, since the stepdad didn't know it was happening. It seems unlikely to be co-incedence, given the time scale.

I however, still don't believe. I think it would fuck up my entire view on life if I did.

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[Guest]

There used to be a lady who did it in St Ands, I think she was based at the shop selling crystals and stones etc on south st. You could try asking there.

[Guest]

Quoting munchingfoo from 21:45, 4th May 2008
Whilst I don't believe in the effects of Reiki I have actually witnessed it working in practice.

Weird, right? I just can't get my head to believe what my eyes have seen.

My mum is a Reiki master and, whilst she was learning on a Hebridean island, she performed Reiki on my stepfather who was in Fife. Apparently you can do this (wtf) without the other person even knowing about it.

Anyway - my stepdad has had a lump on his hand for about 20 years. After my mum did this Reiki via proxy shite, it disappeared.

You can't put this down to placebo, since the stepdad didn't know it was happening. It seems unlikely to be co-incedence, given the time scale.

I however, still don't believe. I think it would fuck up my entire view on life if I did.

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That sounds really really cool. Something similar happened with my parents years and years ago when my Brother was little and was in hospital for one of his many operations. Everything looked hopeless at the time and some one asked my parents if they'd like a priest to come and lay on hands. While my parents are not atheist, they're not exactly christian either, so they were really sceptical about this, anyway, the priest spoke to them, and said 'it might not work, but sometimes it does, it's a bit like kicking a washing machine that's playing up'. Those were the words he used. Anyway hwee did the laying on of hands and thjings took a turn for the better. I'm not sure if religion comes into it but there could be something to do with a transfer in phsycic energy.

My other brother's girlfriend does Reiki and uses it to calm stress and things. I think her little boy had eczema and she was able to use Reiki to cure that. It would be som amazing to have a way of healing people which involved no medical training.

[Senethro]

Science says No!

[Mehmsy]

Just another placebo!

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[Frank]

Is it even a placebo? Most of the time it's causal correlation fallacy, surely? I mean really. If I say "I wish X happens" and X happens, is it because my wish worked?

Reiki is quite ridiculous. I could be very wrong, and the world'd be a better place if it worked, but I'm quite positive that the scientific evidence against its efficacy is really quite impressive.

Eczema isn't cured either. It comes and goes with diet, things you do to your skin, the care you keep of it and even often the weather. I find those explanations far more plausible than some mystical bable curing a kid/someone's dad/otherwise.

That is to say: How often is reiki used and has no effect. How often does it 'work'? I'm quite positive the 'it works' would correlate quite nicely with people just getting better anyway...

I've never yet heard of Reiki healing someone's surely-fatal-without-treatment ballistics wound. Have you?

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"There is only ever one truth. Things are always black or white, there's no such thing as a shade of grey. If you think that something is a shade of grey it simply means that you don't fully understand the situation. The truth is narrow and the path of the pursuit of truth is similarly narrow."
Also, some years later:
"here we are arguing about a few uppity troublemakers with a bee in their bonnet and a conspiracy theory."

[munchingfoo]

Quoting Frank from 14:59, 6th May 2008

I've never yet heard of Reiki healing someone's surely-fatal-without-treatment ballistics wound. Have you?

As I have stated, I agree with you mostly, although this final statement is based on ignorance of what Reiki claims to be able to do.

Reiki simply claims to put your body in a state in which it is best capable of healing itself (which we know it can do - think scabs). It also claims to help in conditions which are caused by putting your body out of this state (think stress ulcers/cramps). I'm not sure where your scientific evidence comes from, and whilst I agree it probably exists somewhere, I doubt it is really quite impressive. In either case, you clearly haven't read it, otherwise you would know the limitations of Reiki, as stated by Reiki healers themselves.

In response to those who claim it is simply a placebo, I don't think this is quite true. We already know the benefits of relaxation and rest in a lot of chronic medical complaints. Reiki pretty much focuses around this technique. So, whilst it might be no better than having a chill-out session in a nice blue room or a walk on the beach in the sun, this isn't the same as it being a placebo. A placebo is a treatment which works because you simply think it is working.

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“ When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading”

[mgrace]

As mentioned above, ask at Psyche's Garden. The lady in question is a Reiki master.

[Power Metal Dom]

I call bullshit on 'foos post. Surely a well established Sinner skeptic and trickster couldn't be serious. For realsies?

If I could witness or experience reiki objectively I'd be slightly more inclined to accept it's claims.

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[rob 'f*ck off' wine boy]

I call bullshit on 'foos post. Surely a well established Sinner skeptic and trickster couldn't be serious. For realsies?

If I could witness or experience reiki objectively I'd be slightly more inclined to accept it's claims.

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[munchingfoo]

What I wrote is not bullshit, in all seriousness, but like I said, I still don't believe it.

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