OK, I went for my first UK smear today. This caused me grief for several reasons.
1) booking the bloody thing. At home, it's a PAP. So I said I needed to book for a pap. They looked at me confused like. 'A what?' 'A pap!' say I, trying to keep my voice down. 'A pap? What's that?' they say, rather loudly. I am now fuschia. 'An internal exam? A cervical swab? You know, you get it done every three years?' Thankfully they caught on before I had to try charades but it was embarrassing and NOT a good start to the whole procedure.
2) the fact that you only go every THREE YEARS here. At home, it's 6 - 12 months. A LOT can happen in three years. I suppose there's no money in the NHS but really! Every three years seems almost pointless.
3) it was done by a nurse and not a doctor. In a ten minute slot. At home, getting your smear is a big deal really. Your doctor does it, and takes a fair bit of time to talk about your cycles, your sexual health, your breasts, and anything else that might be up in the world of feminine health. Not so here. I mentioned that my periods had become very crampy and irregular. 'Hmm' she replies. I asked if she could show me how to do a proper breast exam as the last time my doctor had done one (in Canada) she had been concerned by density in my left breast. 'Well, we don't really have the time but I'll give you a booklet.' Right. Thanks.
4) the actual method. Here's where we might get a bit gross but at home, they put the evil duck bill thing in and take the swab but then they also sort of poke around and check other internal things. Not so here. Duck bill, in, out. Not that I'm complaining but I do feel like I waited 3 years for this and my ovaries have been left unchecked and who knows what else!
5) bleeding. Never before has this been a 'normal' symptom of having a smear but apparently here it is!
6) I've ranted at length before about the lack of STD testing in this country but really! You can ONLY get it done at a hospital? WTF?
I have to say, coming from another free health care service to this one, it's a bit shocking. Done this way the whole exercise seems almost pointless. Anyone know who I can rant to? Grr! It actually really pissed me off! I mean, nobody LIKES going but at home I went every year and I felt like I was taking care of my body and treating it with respect. Three years seems a bit ridiculous for what I got from it.
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by rae on Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:06 pm
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by Nell on Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:22 pm
An appointment for a cervical smear is just for that. If you are worried about any other aspect of health you can go and talk to the doctor seperatly. The NHS runs well women clinics (im not sure where the nearest one is, but your doctor should be able to tell you) specifically to address womens concerns about feminine health.
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by Scully on Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:38 pm
Well, if this isn't your home country (i.e. your here to study) and your getting your healthcare for free- which you don't get everywhere, i don't see what your problem is. You went for an appointment for a smear. If you want to discuss other things, you can make an appointment with a nurse or doctor.
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by PurelySynthetic on Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:50 pm
[s]rae wrote on 21:06, 12th Nov 2004:
OK, I went for my first UK smear today. This caused me grief for several reasons.
1) booking the bloody thing. At home, it's a PAP. So I said I needed to book for a pap. They looked at me confused like. 'A what?' 'A pap!' say I, trying to keep my voice down. 'A pap? What's that?' they say, rather loudly. I am now fuschia. 'An internal exam? A cervical swab? You know, you get it done every three years?' Thankfully they caught on before I had to try charades but it was embarrassing and NOT a good start to the whole procedure.
That same thing happens if a british person goes on holiday to america and asks in a shop for trousers - the majority of shops have no clue what "trousers" are. Different words for differnt things. Its hardly the secretarys fault for not knowing what other countries call medical procedures different from here!
2) the fact that you only go every THREE YEARS here. At home, it's 6 - 12 months. A LOT can happen in three years. I suppose there's no money in the NHS but really! Every three years seems almost pointless.
It's hardly pointless to go once every three years - you still get checked - it may not be as often as in other countries but at least it happens at all! Plus in that same frame of mind a lot can happen in a day but you cant really expect to get free medical treatment every single day for every single complaint can you!
3) it was done by a nurse and not a doctor. In a ten minute slot. At home, getting your smear is a big deal really. Your doctor does it, and takes a fair bit of time to talk about your cycles, your sexual health, your breasts, and anything else that might be up in the world of feminine health. Not so here. I mentioned that my periods had become very crampy and irregular. 'Hmm' she replies. I asked if she could show me how to do a proper breast exam as the last time my doctor had done one (in Canada) she had been concerned by density in my left breast. 'Well, we don't really have the time but I'll give you a booklet.' Right. Thanks.
You could have booked an appointment with a doctor if you had concerns. Unfortunatly they dont give much time out in slots for seeing a doctor or a nurse, so if you have a range of queries then its usually best to state this when you make the appointment and ask if you can get a double slot - which they would certainly arrange for you.
4) the actual method. Here's where we might get a bit gross but at home, they put the evil duck bill thing in and take the swab but then they also sort of poke around and check other internal things. Not so here. Duck bill, in, out. Not that I'm complaining but I do feel like I waited 3 years for this and my ovaries have been left unchecked and who knows what else!
when i had my smear they poked about a bit so to speak so im not really sure what to say on that one!
5) bleeding. Never before has this been a 'normal' symptom of having a smear but apparently here it is!
not heard this one either - dont think they told me that when i had mine done!
6) I've ranted at length before about the lack of STD testing in this country but really! You can ONLY get it done at a hospital? WTF?
Thats not true. Yes there are special GUPM clinics that are specific for everything to do with sexual health. But you can also get tested for alot of stds from the doctor. As well as other clinics that are on offer in some towns/citys.
OK, I went for my first UK smear today. This caused me grief for several reasons.
1) booking the bloody thing. At home, it's a PAP. So I said I needed to book for a pap. They looked at me confused like. 'A what?' 'A pap!' say I, trying to keep my voice down. 'A pap? What's that?' they say, rather loudly. I am now fuschia. 'An internal exam? A cervical swab? You know, you get it done every three years?' Thankfully they caught on before I had to try charades but it was embarrassing and NOT a good start to the whole procedure.
That same thing happens if a british person goes on holiday to america and asks in a shop for trousers - the majority of shops have no clue what "trousers" are. Different words for differnt things. Its hardly the secretarys fault for not knowing what other countries call medical procedures different from here!
2) the fact that you only go every THREE YEARS here. At home, it's 6 - 12 months. A LOT can happen in three years. I suppose there's no money in the NHS but really! Every three years seems almost pointless.
It's hardly pointless to go once every three years - you still get checked - it may not be as often as in other countries but at least it happens at all! Plus in that same frame of mind a lot can happen in a day but you cant really expect to get free medical treatment every single day for every single complaint can you!
3) it was done by a nurse and not a doctor. In a ten minute slot. At home, getting your smear is a big deal really. Your doctor does it, and takes a fair bit of time to talk about your cycles, your sexual health, your breasts, and anything else that might be up in the world of feminine health. Not so here. I mentioned that my periods had become very crampy and irregular. 'Hmm' she replies. I asked if she could show me how to do a proper breast exam as the last time my doctor had done one (in Canada) she had been concerned by density in my left breast. 'Well, we don't really have the time but I'll give you a booklet.' Right. Thanks.
You could have booked an appointment with a doctor if you had concerns. Unfortunatly they dont give much time out in slots for seeing a doctor or a nurse, so if you have a range of queries then its usually best to state this when you make the appointment and ask if you can get a double slot - which they would certainly arrange for you.
4) the actual method. Here's where we might get a bit gross but at home, they put the evil duck bill thing in and take the swab but then they also sort of poke around and check other internal things. Not so here. Duck bill, in, out. Not that I'm complaining but I do feel like I waited 3 years for this and my ovaries have been left unchecked and who knows what else!
when i had my smear they poked about a bit so to speak so im not really sure what to say on that one!
5) bleeding. Never before has this been a 'normal' symptom of having a smear but apparently here it is!
not heard this one either - dont think they told me that when i had mine done!
6) I've ranted at length before about the lack of STD testing in this country but really! You can ONLY get it done at a hospital? WTF?
Thats not true. Yes there are special GUPM clinics that are specific for everything to do with sexual health. But you can also get tested for alot of stds from the doctor. As well as other clinics that are on offer in some towns/citys.
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by KateBush on Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:54 pm
I disagree. I think Rae's post points out the shocking incongruity between our health care system and that of other countries. Rae is PERFECTLY right in what she says...3 years IS too long to go without a test.
It's becaues of corner cutting like this that the NHS is in the state it's in. And no one can deny it's in a state.
On a personal note, I was taken to hospital today in an ambulance after collapsing and breaking my foot, and i never cease to be appalled when I go to any hospital in this country at the lack of basic essentials. today people were shivering with the cold, but no blankets were to be had unless you asked repeatedly for them. No wheelchairs were around either, and no porters. This meant that even though I was seen by a doctor almost straight away (as an ambulance admission), I had to spend almost 5 hours having an x-ray and my foot set in a plaster cast. I was taking up space that i needn't have, just because the facilities weren't at hand.
I think Rae, with her fresh eyes since she is used to smears abroad,is totally right for saying what a disgrace the system here is.
It's becaues of corner cutting like this that the NHS is in the state it's in. And no one can deny it's in a state.
On a personal note, I was taken to hospital today in an ambulance after collapsing and breaking my foot, and i never cease to be appalled when I go to any hospital in this country at the lack of basic essentials. today people were shivering with the cold, but no blankets were to be had unless you asked repeatedly for them. No wheelchairs were around either, and no porters. This meant that even though I was seen by a doctor almost straight away (as an ambulance admission), I had to spend almost 5 hours having an x-ray and my foot set in a plaster cast. I was taking up space that i needn't have, just because the facilities weren't at hand.
I think Rae, with her fresh eyes since she is used to smears abroad,is totally right for saying what a disgrace the system here is.
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by KayBee on Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:54 pm
[s]Scully wrote on 21:38, 12th Nov 2004:
Well, if this isn't your home country (i.e. your here to study) and your getting your healthcare for free- which you don't get everywhere, i don't see what your problem is. You went for an appointment for a smear. If you want to discuss other things, you can make an appointment with a nurse or doctor.
I have to say I agree with Scully. If you wanted a full MOT you should have booked a double appointment or a completely separate one. NO bloomin' wonder the Nurse said she didn't have time to do a breast exam - you hadn't booked an appointment for a breast exam.
Evil Duck Bill = speculum I think.
And guys - it gets a lot worse when we have babies. You make sure you are bloody thankful for being a male. I'd trade shaving every morning for the indignity of Labour.
God I'm in a bad mood tonight. Off to shout at Stephen Fry on Qi. If my baby stops whingin about his teething for ONE BLOODY MINUTE.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARG.
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Well, if this isn't your home country (i.e. your here to study) and your getting your healthcare for free- which you don't get everywhere, i don't see what your problem is. You went for an appointment for a smear. If you want to discuss other things, you can make an appointment with a nurse or doctor.
I have to say I agree with Scully. If you wanted a full MOT you should have booked a double appointment or a completely separate one. NO bloomin' wonder the Nurse said she didn't have time to do a breast exam - you hadn't booked an appointment for a breast exam.
Evil Duck Bill = speculum I think.
And guys - it gets a lot worse when we have babies. You make sure you are bloody thankful for being a male. I'd trade shaving every morning for the indignity of Labour.
God I'm in a bad mood tonight. Off to shout at Stephen Fry on Qi. If my baby stops whingin about his teething for ONE BLOODY MINUTE.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARG.
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by David Bean on Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:09 pm
I think as long as the services Rae describes are available, then the problem isn't as great as she perceives, though there might be something in the idea of combining them all into one visit rather than making everyone book separate appointments for each exam - for one thing, I should have thought combining everything would be far more resource-efficient.
Also, arguably it IS a problem if the NHS does not offer these tests with enough frequency for them to be effective; it's almost like a ship operating with a radar that is only operational a third of the time.
Oh yes, and I think you'd be on a sticky wicket arguing that foreign students shouldn't have the same entitlement to healthcare as anyone else, because clearly they contribute as much to the overall economy as many, and a lot more than some. Having said that, Rae actually isn't a student any more, so I don't suppose that really matters in this case.
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Also, arguably it IS a problem if the NHS does not offer these tests with enough frequency for them to be effective; it's almost like a ship operating with a radar that is only operational a third of the time.
Oh yes, and I think you'd be on a sticky wicket arguing that foreign students shouldn't have the same entitlement to healthcare as anyone else, because clearly they contribute as much to the overall economy as many, and a lot more than some. Having said that, Rae actually isn't a student any more, so I don't suppose that really matters in this case.
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by Pussycat on Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:29 pm
[s]KateBush wrote on 21:54, 12th Nov 2004:
On a personal note, I was taken to hospital today in an ambulance after collapsing and breaking my foot, and i never cease to be appalled when I go to any hospital in this country at the lack of basic essentials. today people were shivering with the cold, but no blankets were to be had unless you asked repeatedly for them. No wheelchairs were around either, and no porters. This meant that even though I was seen by a doctor almost straight away (as an ambulance admission), I had to spend almost 5 hours having an x-ray and my foot set in a plaster cast. I was taking up space that i needn't have, just because the facilities weren't at hand.
I was taken to hospital (Ninewells) a couple of weeks ago after a bus smash by ambulance and I was amazed at how good it was after reading all the doom and gloom stories in the papers. The paramedics were amazing, I was rushed to the front of the queue, they made sure I was all wrapped up and comfortable (as I could be), I was forbidden for getting off the trolley until I'd been checked properly, and the nurse even made me some toast so that my body would stop trying to fall over! I was then told to rest as long as I wanted before discharging myself after they'd given me the ok to take myself home to mope. Maybe I was given special treatment because it was an RTA and the police were everywhere but all the other A&E people seemed to get the same treatment.
The hospitals might be underfunded but the staff are absolutely ace - as I'm sure most people would agree
I haven't had x-rays done in a long time (luckily!) but when I did I think I waited around ten minutes at the Vic as an outpatient, perhaps some hosptials are just better than others for that sort of thing.
As for smears and other tests it very much varies from practise to practise - they will all help you, just some are more forthcoming with the help than others. The practise I am with here in St Andrews is great (especially the practise nurse) and I've been told that if I have any concerns then to just come in whenever and get checked out. I've also been surprised the number of times they've squeezed me in the same day I've phoned up for an appointment when I have been particularly worried. You can also make an appointment with the nurse just to discuss things. My partner's practise on the other hand is awful, they can ahrdly ever fit you in any time soon, they rush you through and don't seem to care at all - just write a presription and send you on your way.
So yeah they are all underfunded which is bad but they will give you tests more often if you ask and they will give you more time if you ask as well. But you have to say beforehand otherwise they'd be holding other people up which isn't too fair on anyone really. And if you are unhappy with your particular practise then I'd recommend changing - some are a lot better than others.
And just for emphasis the paramedics round here are brilliant And the police seemed nice also.
On a personal note, I was taken to hospital today in an ambulance after collapsing and breaking my foot, and i never cease to be appalled when I go to any hospital in this country at the lack of basic essentials. today people were shivering with the cold, but no blankets were to be had unless you asked repeatedly for them. No wheelchairs were around either, and no porters. This meant that even though I was seen by a doctor almost straight away (as an ambulance admission), I had to spend almost 5 hours having an x-ray and my foot set in a plaster cast. I was taking up space that i needn't have, just because the facilities weren't at hand.
I was taken to hospital (Ninewells) a couple of weeks ago after a bus smash by ambulance and I was amazed at how good it was after reading all the doom and gloom stories in the papers. The paramedics were amazing, I was rushed to the front of the queue, they made sure I was all wrapped up and comfortable (as I could be), I was forbidden for getting off the trolley until I'd been checked properly, and the nurse even made me some toast so that my body would stop trying to fall over! I was then told to rest as long as I wanted before discharging myself after they'd given me the ok to take myself home to mope. Maybe I was given special treatment because it was an RTA and the police were everywhere but all the other A&E people seemed to get the same treatment.
The hospitals might be underfunded but the staff are absolutely ace - as I'm sure most people would agree
I haven't had x-rays done in a long time (luckily!) but when I did I think I waited around ten minutes at the Vic as an outpatient, perhaps some hosptials are just better than others for that sort of thing.
As for smears and other tests it very much varies from practise to practise - they will all help you, just some are more forthcoming with the help than others. The practise I am with here in St Andrews is great (especially the practise nurse) and I've been told that if I have any concerns then to just come in whenever and get checked out. I've also been surprised the number of times they've squeezed me in the same day I've phoned up for an appointment when I have been particularly worried. You can also make an appointment with the nurse just to discuss things. My partner's practise on the other hand is awful, they can ahrdly ever fit you in any time soon, they rush you through and don't seem to care at all - just write a presription and send you on your way.
So yeah they are all underfunded which is bad but they will give you tests more often if you ask and they will give you more time if you ask as well. But you have to say beforehand otherwise they'd be holding other people up which isn't too fair on anyone really. And if you are unhappy with your particular practise then I'd recommend changing - some are a lot better than others.
And just for emphasis the paramedics round here are brilliant
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by flossy on Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:34 pm
[s]rae wrote on 21:06, 12th Nov 2004:
2) the fact that you only go every THREE YEARS here. At home, it's 6 - 12 months. A LOT can happen in three years. I suppose there's no money in the NHS but really! Every three years seems almost pointless.
Erm, why not have it done twice a year at home- when you go for Christmas and the summer breaks?
2) the fact that you only go every THREE YEARS here. At home, it's 6 - 12 months. A LOT can happen in three years. I suppose there's no money in the NHS but really! Every three years seems almost pointless.
Erm, why not have it done twice a year at home- when you go for Christmas and the summer breaks?
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by David Bean on Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:35 pm
To repeat, because she's NOT A STUDENT!
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by Scellanis on Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:37 pm
Oh good grief!! Like, I didn't want to go for one beforehand but now...
*girly scream followed by a mad attempt to hide in a bucket and pretend to be male*
No, going to have to drag me in there kicking and screaming...ooo...blood...
*feints*
I shall now wander off (and sorry for the excessive use of like but I have just been watching scooby doo)
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*girly scream followed by a mad attempt to hide in a bucket and pretend to be male*
No, going to have to drag me in there kicking and screaming...ooo...blood...
*feints*
I shall now wander off (and sorry for the excessive use of like but I have just been watching scooby doo)
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by novium on Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:12 pm
[s]Manic23 wrote on 21:36, 12th Nov 2004:
Thank Jesus I'm a bloke
Don't guys eventually have, whatchamacallits, ah, too jet lagged to think of the name. Something that sounds just as bad?
Thank Jesus I'm a bloke
Don't guys eventually have, whatchamacallits, ah, too jet lagged to think of the name. Something that sounds just as bad?
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by novium on Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:19 pm
[s]Scellanis wrote on 22:37, 12th Nov 2004:
Oh good grief!! Like, I didn't want to go for one beforehand but now...
*girly scream followed by a mad attempt to hide in a bucket and pretend to be male*
No, going to have to drag me in there kicking and screaming...ooo...blood...
*feints*
I shall now wander off (and sorry for the excessive use of like but I have just been watching scooby doo)
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I know, exactly!
If I were redesigning the universe, I would have quite a few changes to make concerning womanhood.
As it is, I have enough trouble dragging myself to the dentist twice a year. to the DENTIST.
Oh good grief!! Like, I didn't want to go for one beforehand but now...
*girly scream followed by a mad attempt to hide in a bucket and pretend to be male*
No, going to have to drag me in there kicking and screaming...ooo...blood...
*feints*
I shall now wander off (and sorry for the excessive use of like but I have just been watching scooby doo)
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I know, exactly!
If I were redesigning the universe, I would have quite a few changes to make concerning womanhood.
As it is, I have enough trouble dragging myself to the dentist twice a year. to the DENTIST.
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by Happy-Go-Lucky on Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:43 pm
A friend of mine was in hospital the whole of the summer a couple of years ago after a major operation on her back. During her time recovering in hospital, she nearly died twice because of nurse incompetence. Ignoring the fact that there was huge piles of dirt and fluff at the legs of all the trollies and beds in her room. She was on a drip and once the nurse didn't attach it properly. My friend and her family kept telling the nurse it wasn't working who just sniffed and said "of course it is" even when my friend was so dehydrated that her skin was staying out when it was pinched. When the doctor finally came for a check up he excalimed that she was about 2 hours away from death if they didn't get her drip going again. So after that little incident, you'd think the nurses would pay more attention when my friend said something was wrong. No chance. She got pneumonia later. She recognised the symptoms and told the nurses repeatedly she had pneumonia, but the nurses kept saying of course she didn't and waht on earth would she know about it. Once again, by the time the doctor paid a visit, he was horrified to find my friend with very serious pneumonia, and could die, so she had to get very strong treatment for it.
Along with the original stress of such a serious operation, it's a wonder she survived. And all because of of some stupid snotty nurses.
Along with the original stress of such a serious operation, it's a wonder she survived. And all because of of some stupid snotty nurses.
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by rae on Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:53 am
OK, to clear a few things up.
I am a British citizen. I pay LOTS and LOTS of tax money. I have paid huge tuition fees and I now pay tax and council tax. I am not a student. I have lived here for several years now. I don't go home in the summer or at Christmas.
My thread wasn't set up to bash the UK, my country of choice and one that I happen to love *more* than Canada, which is why I now live here (and pay tax). I'm actually quite surprised by most of the feedback on here.
Clearly things are done differently here, and we can forget my technicalities and my ignorance about things like having to book with a doctor rather than nurse and my surprise about not being able to be taught how to do a self examination by a nurse. My main point was that three years is far too long to go between smears! If something were to develop this month or next, it would be another 3 years before it were caught. And what was infuriating me still more was that the check-up I got today hardly led me to feel that I had been fully checked up! If a nurse is going to ask me if my cycle is regular and if I'm having any problems, surely she should be prepared to discuss my answers?
It all just seems very strange to me - the idea of having to go to a special womens clinic, or to basically have to kick and scream for treatment that is routine in other countries. This - to reiterate - is not UK bashing. It's simply suprise at what I think is unfair treatment.
Does that clear some things up?
I am a British citizen. I pay LOTS and LOTS of tax money. I have paid huge tuition fees and I now pay tax and council tax. I am not a student. I have lived here for several years now. I don't go home in the summer or at Christmas.
My thread wasn't set up to bash the UK, my country of choice and one that I happen to love *more* than Canada, which is why I now live here (and pay tax). I'm actually quite surprised by most of the feedback on here.
Clearly things are done differently here, and we can forget my technicalities and my ignorance about things like having to book with a doctor rather than nurse and my surprise about not being able to be taught how to do a self examination by a nurse. My main point was that three years is far too long to go between smears! If something were to develop this month or next, it would be another 3 years before it were caught. And what was infuriating me still more was that the check-up I got today hardly led me to feel that I had been fully checked up! If a nurse is going to ask me if my cycle is regular and if I'm having any problems, surely she should be prepared to discuss my answers?
It all just seems very strange to me - the idea of having to go to a special womens clinic, or to basically have to kick and scream for treatment that is routine in other countries. This - to reiterate - is not UK bashing. It's simply suprise at what I think is unfair treatment.
Does that clear some things up?
In America they think 100 years is old and in Britain they think 100 miles is far.
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by rae on Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:56 am
And to Scellanis and anyone else who I have scared out of smears, my apologies! That was entirely the opposite of my point. I posted this same thing in my journal, with a plea to all my friends at home who think of their yearly pap smear as a chore to think of it instead as a priviledge and a means of respecting their bodies. It's not a horrible experience by any means.
In America they think 100 years is old and in Britain they think 100 miles is far.
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Re:
by Manic23 on Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:25 am
[s]novium wrote on 23:12, 12th Nov 2004:
[s]Manic23 wrote on 21:36, 12th Nov 2004:[i]
Thank Jesus I'm a bloke
Don't guys eventually have, whatchamacallits, ah, too jet lagged to think of the name. Something that sounds just as bad?
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Whilst Women may have to undergo the indignities of Childbirth, PMT and Pap Smears, There is one word that surpasses all of these in terms of pain and humiliation, and is guarenteed to strike fear into the heart of any man (though I believe they are used on Women also).
Catheter
[s]Manic23 wrote on 21:36, 12th Nov 2004:[i]
Thank Jesus I'm a bloke
Don't guys eventually have, whatchamacallits, ah, too jet lagged to think of the name. Something that sounds just as bad?
[/i]
Whilst Women may have to undergo the indignities of Childbirth, PMT and Pap Smears, There is one word that surpasses all of these in terms of pain and humiliation, and is guarenteed to strike fear into the heart of any man (though I believe they are used on Women also).
Catheter
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