Cathedral

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Quoting Eliot Wilson from 19:29, 15th May 2005
The Marquess of Bute wanted to rebuild it, I believe, as a graduation hall for the University.

Given his election to serve two terms as Rector, his donation of money to build the medical buildings (which are architectrally not bad at all) and apparent desire to rebuild the cathedral, Lord Bute seems to have been a pretty sound sort of person, are their any decent biographies published of him? SAULCAT seems not to have anything on him.

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Quoting RJ Covino from 10:43, 16th May 2005
Principal Donaldson's memoirs are quite a good read, overall, I might add, though the scene where he, the beadle and his wife descent into the crypt to fondle the skull of Bishop Kennedy is a bit on the weird side.

SAULCAT doesn't seem to have a copy of them, what is the title of his memoirs (if indeed they have one)?

[exnihilo]

Quoting aien aristein from 22:15, 15th May 2005
No, it's not. There are no such restrictions on catholics anymore, with the sole exception that a royal may not marry one or become one, without forfitting their right to succeed to the throne.

I should point out that the law to which I refer was a Scottish one only, unless you're 100% sure I'm wrong, I'm inclined to believe it possible that that is still on the books.

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Quoting from 13:21, 16th May 2005

Quoting RJ Covino from 10:43, 16th May 2005
Principal Donaldson's memoirs are quite a good read, overall, I might add, though the scene where he, the beadle and his wife descent into the crypt to fondle the skull of Bishop Kennedy is a bit on the weird side.

SAULCAT doesn't seem to have a copy of them, what is the title of his memoirs (if indeed they have one)?

Ralph of course meant Principal Irvine, whose wife's biography of him, "The Avenue of Years : a Memoir of Sir James Irvine, Principal and Vice-Chancellor of the University of St Andrews, 1921-1952"] (LF1109.I8I8) is quite illuminating and touching. And, in the paragraph where Jim emerges with the skull, faintly disturbing.

I would, however, remind those speculating on Principal Lang's sleeping arrangements of the terms of the Sponsio.

[RJ Covino]

Slightly incorrect there - I was most definitely thinking of

Donaldson, Sir James, (1911) Addresses delivered in the University of St Andrews from 1886 to 1910, (Edinburgh).

when I made my first posting. I accept that I may have utterly flubbed up which Principal did the skull-fondling.

Oddly, though, a fellow alumnus pointed out to me on the street yesterday, having read this thread, that a photograph of said fondling was once published in an Alumnus Chronicle. Now that'd be something to see...

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[legohead]

Quoting exnihilo from 14:16, 16th May 2005

Quoting aien aristein from 22:15, 15th May 2005
No, it's not. There are no such restrictions on catholics anymore, with the sole exception that a royal may not marry one or become one, without forfitting their right to succeed to the throne.

I should point out that the law to which I refer was a Scottish one only, unless you're 100% sure I'm wrong, I'm inclined to believe it possible that that is still on the books.

isn't there also the rule that the pm can't be catholic? Im sure it can't be same for the 1st minister tho...could someone enlighten me?

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This is for all those headless acrobats
faces crushed in the circus dust
all in the name of gravity
and the price of admission

[Eliot Wilson]

Perfectly fine for the Prime Minister to be a Catholic; we simply haven't had one yet. There may be problems with a Roman Catholic Lord Chancellor, as he is 'Keeper of the Queen's Conscience', but as the Government intends to fuck about with the office of Lord Chancellor that may change. Had Iain Duncan Smith won a General Election (no, seriously), we would have had a Catholic PM (though I tend to view Blair as a crypto-Catholic anyway).

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Bill and Ted beat the Grim Reaper at Twister

Bill: "You played very well, Death, especially with your totally heavy Death robes."

Death: "Don't patronise me."

[Jamie potton]

Quoting RJ Covino from 11:30, 17th May 2005
Slightly incorrect there - I was most definitely thinking of

Donaldson, Sir James, (1911) Addresses delivered in the University of St Andrews from 1886 to 1910, (Edinburgh).

when I made my first posting. I accept that I may have utterly flubbed up which Principal did the skull-fondling.

Oddly, though, a fellow alumnus pointed out to me on the street yesterday, having read this thread, that a photograph of said fondling was once published in an Alumnus Chronicle. Now that'd be something to see...

"St Andrews: where world-class skull-fondling is made"

I remember being told some years back that part of Bishop Kennedy's tomb slab (presumably from the crypt) was found when they were renovating PM's or maybe what is now Marmaris.

There is a short chapter about Lord Bute and his various endowments in "Famous Rectors of St Andrews" Twiss and Chennell.

[RJ Covino]

Quoting Jamie Potton from 12:13, 17th May 2005
"St Andrews: where world-class skull-fondling is made"

Oh no, Mr Potton. The slogan's still got to be "where world-class minds are made" with the added proviso that after you're gone they want the brain hold-all back for some good rubbin'.

I wonder, would this make skull-fondling a part of our highly international yet distinctly Scottish experience?

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[Eliot Wilson]

Perhaps, instead of being capped at graduation ceremonies, graduates could have their heads fondled by Sir Kenneth?

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Bill and Ted beat the Grim Reaper at Twister

Bill: "You played very well, Death, especially with your totally heavy Death robes."

Death: "Don't patronise me."

[Jason Dunn]

Quoting Eliot Wilson from 11:58, 17th May 2005
...though I tend to view Blair as a crypto-Catholic anyway.

Wasn't he planning on converting at one point? Maybe that's something best left for after his term of office.

[Jason Dunn]

Ah, this sheds some light on the matter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3746398.stm