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Postby meh on Wed May 03, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting angel_kohaku from 23:25, 3rd May 2006
Nobody writes songs about skinny chicks.


Off the top of my head:

King Adora, 'Big Isn't Beautiful'

Every boy wants a body to die for and,
Every girl who's thin is his rival,
I wish I had a body to die for,
Skinny is sexy,
Big isn't beautiful.

I'm gonna shed me some skin,
Get me real, real slim,
I want to feel my bones on your bones, baby.

See also:

Garbage, 'Bleed Like Me'

Avalanche is sullen and too thin,
She starves herself to rid herself of sin,
And the kick is so divine when she sees bones beneath her skin

Silverchair, 'Ana's Song'

And you're my obsession
I love you to the bones
And Ana wrecks your life
Like an Anorexia life


I'm not saying any of them are glowing endorsements, but certainly "about skinny chicks" or skinniness in general.
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Postby ParisInTheAutumn on Wed May 03, 2006 11:01 pm

What annoys me is that it is acceptable for fat people to moan and bitch at thin/skinny people. Especially when defending themselves, they can end up putting skinny/thin people down, which undermines the argument that what is on the outside doesn't count...bla bla bla.

At my last work I couldn't eat chocolate or anything like that without a bitchy comment about how lucky I am to have the genes I do. The odd comment doesn't bother me but it becomes annoying after time. I like most people am the way I am due to the amount of food I eat and exercise I do .
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Postby Smith on Thu May 04, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting flarewearer from 19:54, 3rd May 2006
Can you get passive obesity?

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Quite easily, especially if you are a child to fat parents, whom you depend upon for food, and are then supplied with chubbying dishes.

Or, another example, a friend goes out and buys a filthy stinking 16" pizza that is dripping in grease, he/she cannot finish it, and offers you a slice or two, you respond "i can't eat that, its far to fatty" to which he/she responds, "i've ate loads and i'm not fat" so you eat away.

2 examples of passive eating. ;-)

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Postby angel_kohaku on Thu May 04, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting meh from 23:47, 3rd May 2006
I'm not saying any of them are glowing endorsements, but certainly "about skinny chicks" or skinniness in general.


Ok fair enough, but they still aren't glowing reports of skinny.

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Postby Guest on Thu May 04, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Big X from 22:00, 1st May 2006
quick question:
when you wake up in the morning and look in the mirrow what do you think? do you think "looking good" and actually believe yourselves? do you think "i need to sort myself out, this is not a good look" or do you think "bugger it, i'm just fat and really cant be arsed to sort it out becuase i'm pretty happy the way i am"? or do you just not even notice that you are, undoubtedly, fat? or do you think something else?

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i sometimes i think i need to cut down the booze and go for a run. but then i think fuck it im seeing a hottie, i like beer and i dont have much time to exercise.
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Postby Anon. on Thu May 04, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting dot from 15:31, 3rd May 2006
people addicted to eating should be pampered and cuddled and told that it's all right?

We are not addicted to eating, well I am not, I in fact eat less than my friends, and exercise, but unfortunately I still don't lose the weight. In future, dont judge us for being fat; it hurts a lot, and this thread proves how shallow and thoughtless some people are.


It is always possible to lose weight. If you're that worried about being "fat", stop eating. Have just one meal a day. I quite often just have one meal a day; it's certainly do-able.
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Postby flarewearer on Thu May 04, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting meh from 23:47, 3rd May 2006
Quoting angel_kohaku from 23:25, 3rd May 2006
Nobody writes songs about skinny chicks.


Off the top of my head:

King Adora, 'Big Isn't Beautiful'

Garbage, 'Bleed Like Me'

Silverchair, 'Ana's Song'


OK, nobody writes good songs about skinny chicks. Curves are definitely where it's at, what guy in their right mind wants to curl up in bed next to something akin to a 12-year old boy?

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Postby the Empress on Thu May 04, 2006 12:11 pm

Body image is such a nightmare:( I went from fit but never thinking about it, to very thin, to what I am now - which is average for my height but obsessed. But when I look in the mirror and agonise, I hear a friend's voice telling me not to worry 'cause 'I'm all woman'. Always makes me laugh . . Having a positive mantra helps . .

There's a national weight obsession, but I don't think fit necessarily = attractive. (and for those guys who are extra curvy there's hope - I have a friend who actually goes for guys because they have, to quote, 'men breasts';) Threads like this don't help anyone though. .
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Postby kate on Thu May 04, 2006 12:14 pm

I literally can't believe how rude, thoughtless, and ignorant some of you people are. Let me explain a downfall of fat people losing weight for you. I'd better do it SLOWLY and in simple language.
1. Someone says something mean about how you look.
2. You eat to find comfort.
3. You get fatter
4. People say meaner things.
5. You get even fatter

I'm not saying it is everyone's fault but there own, but things like this don't help. Am I getting through to you people. You think you're so much better than other people, as if people who are overweight don't know that to lose weight you eat less and exercise more. For you're information, its not that easy. Otherwise nobody would be overweight. Please dont always assume that because a person is overweight they are lazy or stupid.
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Postby kate on Thu May 04, 2006 12:14 pm

Also, in reply to Webbie, it is people like you that make people anorexic. For someone who is overweight to exercise every day until they cant walk or talk would be seriously damaging to their health. For exercise to be effective, biologically, you need rest and recovery time, otherwise you might as well not bother. And for someone who is sedentary (that means does very little physical activity, thought you might need a little help there, seeing as you seem so completely ignorant on the subject) a little bit of exercise (10 -20 mins) every second or third day is all they should be doing, until they can build it up a bit more, when they become fitter. Get your facts right next time.
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Postby rob 'f*ck off' wine boy on Thu May 04, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting kate from 23:19, 3rd May 2006
Also, in reply to Webbie, it is people like you that make people anorexic.


Overreaction, much? Fair enough aggressive criticism might have a detrimental effect on someone's self-esteem which might consequentially have some rather dire ramifications in regards to their health (ie comfort eating) but this is blatantly ad hominem.

If someone like Webbie (hi Alex!!) can drive you to anorexia (a fascinating revelation, might I add) then weight problems are not the only ones you should be listing. A psychiatrist might be in order. Don't accuse people of causing eating disorders because they disagree with you. Quite frankly it's stupid.

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Postby ParisInTheAutumn on Thu May 04, 2006 1:25 pm

Why don't people take responsibility for the weight they are? That they have a weakness, we all have some. It seems strange that every single overweight person who brings their weight up says the same things like 'i eat the same as everyone else' -(how do you know?) or metabolism etc. Why were there not such high levels of overweight people long ago?

Why should you expect people to be supportive, people have always picked on others flaws, I am not saying it's right but that's the way it is, so why let other people control how you feel?
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Postby Rosanna on Thu May 04, 2006 1:30 pm

http://www.something-fishy.org/whataret ... ories1.php

I don't know if this will change anyone's opinion, but i dont know how anyone can read some of these stories and not be convinced that some people have a genuine, uncontrollable addiction to food which is as difficult to get rid of as any other. Read these, and then tell me that these people are just lazy, have no willpower, or actually want to be this way. As with any addiction, the causes run deep, and unless the psychological root of the problem is tackeled, there is little point telling people to beat the problem with willpower- the mind, when it wants to be, is powerful enough to override the willpower of even the strongest person, which is why so many people suffer from addiction which they cant beat, without help. Telling overweight people to "just stop eating and exercise" is as pointless as saying "just eat" to an anorexic person.
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Postby Lyeta on Thu May 04, 2006 1:42 pm

Reading some of the posts above I have to say I agree with people saying it is unfair that it is ok to slag off skinny people/bitch about skinny people but it is considered taboo to insult fat people. I have been called "bitch" "stick" "jammy cow" and so on more times than I can remember. And no, they weren't meant as serious insults but still it made me feel targetted and sometimes disliked just because I can pig pizzas and chocolate without gaining weight. I also know people who have to drink "build up," buy men's jeans and live with people telling them how lucky they are to be thin. Being either ridiculously fat or ridiculously thin is unhealthy, and, in my opinion, neither is attractive (although I partial to scrawny men :P).
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Postby ParisInTheAutumn on Thu May 04, 2006 1:47 pm

I really don't see the similarity between anorexics and people over eating apart from the connection with food.

With anorexics it is all about having control and surely over eating is a lack of control?? I also don't believe it is really to do with food on both occasions or body image but deeper things.

I am not anorexic but when I get depressed I can go days without eating food or very little, it's a weakness just like over eating but less visible as people just say I am so thin because of good genes etc etc. I actually have a good body image and actually think I need to put on some weight.
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Postby ParisInTheAutumn on Thu May 04, 2006 1:50 pm

I really don't see the similarity between anorexics and people over eating apart from the connection with food.

With anorexics it is all about having control and surely over eating is a lack of control?? I also don't believe it is really to do with food on both occasions or body image but deeper things.

I am not anorexic but when I get depressed I can go days without eating food or very little, it's a weakness just like over eating but less visible as people just bitch at me saying I am so lucky because of good genes etc etc. I actually have a good body image and actually think I need to put on some weight.
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Postby Rufus on Thu May 04, 2006 1:50 pm

Quoting parisintheautumn from 14:25, 4th May 2006

Why should you expect people to be supportive, people have always picked on others flaws, I am not saying it's right but that's the way it is, so why let other people control how you feel?



This thread is quite astonishing in its ignorance.

Eating disorders (anorexia, bulimia, over-eating, binge-eating) are all, in part, fuelled and exasperated by what other people think and say. Those of you who say 'you're fat, exercise' have all the sensitivity and humanity of a four-day-old sandwich.

Eating disorders are psychological disorders, as has been pointed out previously, over-eating can be comfort-eating, it can also be destructive eating.

Those of you who are devoid of issues with food- well done, clap yourselves on your not-too-skinny-not-too-fat-but-just-right backs, but please accept that everyone is not.

For some unfathomable reason those who judge people who are fatter than than them generally come to the conclusion that the fat person is weaker because they can't control themselves when it comes to food- well, people aren't that simple.

And for the record, for a good while, I stopped eating, exercised like mad, looked like an Auschwitz victim- one of the things I remember when I was at my most delusional is being absolutely repulsed by fat and fat people. It's not normal to set so much store by how we all look- if someone is overweight, you can bet there will be some emotional reason behind it, and to mock that, I can only conclude that you're a bunch of heartless, compassionless bastards.

To Big X who asked the original question: I presume in your asking it, that you're not fat? Well, what do you see when you look in the mirror? Do you perform a narcissistic self-appreciation ritual every morning revelling in the fact that you are not fat?

There are worse things to be in life than overweight, and I think you've demonstrated that with flying colours.
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Postby thebrookster on Thu May 04, 2006 1:51 pm

Who gives a F**k whether or not someone is fat or skinny? As far as I am concerned if the person in question is happy as they are, brilliant, and if anyone wants to change we should be there to help them. Not having an argument on the sinner about it.

Although having said that, do please keep on having arguments on the sinner, as it is now my main source of procrastination!!
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Postby Thackary on Thu May 04, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting Rufus from 14:50, 4th May 2006
If someone is overweight, you can bet there will be some emotional reason behind it.


I'm overweight, but it's due to overindulgence and lack of exercise.
I've started doing more exercise and I've found that I don't want to eat stodgy food any more - I'd prefer to eat a salad or something else light.

Perhaps that's just me.
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Postby Dave the Explosive Newt on Thu May 04, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting ParisInTheAutumn from 14:50, 4th May 2006
With anorexics it is all about having control and surely over eating is a lack of control??


Yes and no - anorexia nervosa is a loss of control over desires to not eat - i.e. the morbid fear of becomming fat overwhelms the natural impulses of hunger. Bulimics especially and anorexics who have one of the subtypes of anorexia also associated with purging behaviour feel like they have lost control over the desire to purge.

To say that there is always an emotional reason behind being overweight is slightly incorrect I feel - I think this is true of people who enter into the realms of obesity and engage in binging behaviour but not for people who are simply carrying around a few excess pounds due to an unhealthy lifestyle. In some cases these are people who, fifty years ago would not have been labelled as fat now are because of our changing perceptions.

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