fucking bbc2 scotland

[thePontificator]

Quoting Lid from 16:55, 10th Aug 2006

Quoting thePontificator from 11:11, 10th Aug 2006
Yes it is the BBC. BBC SCOTLAND. That's the country we're living in, I'd have hoped you would have noticed by now.

Last time I checked, the country we were living in was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

My point was that how come Scotland gets much longer opt-ins than the other regions? For example, the Great Yorkshire Show had to be squeezed into a thirty minute news summary, doing it anything but justice.

One thing that really did annoy me last year was BBC Two Scotland showing some Scottish stuff, when the rest of the UK got to see The Great British Menu, even so far as one day they had to change the time and day of the airing of the Scottish heat to be later than the rest of the UK!

Now, down in England, I've seen Scottish football now and again. However, Scotland, in terms of BBC organisation is a region. I have far more times seen Liverpool or Chelsea or Aston Villa play than I have Sheffield Wednesday or Leeds or Grimsby Town, even though they fall into our region.

Lastly, if you ranked the programmes on the BBC Review criteria, which would win out, the Scotland United vs Non-empire City match, or the other documentary programme?

Just for reference, the criteria are "high quality", "challenging", "original", "innovative" and "engaging".


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We are not drunks, we are multi-millionaires

The title of the thread makes it evident it's about BBC 2 Scotland, so the fact that we live in the UK is irrelevant, you're living in a region so you expect it's programming to take precedent over the nationwide programming schedule. Scotland is a country as well as a region and it is not often a team outside the Old Firm is in this position so the majority of people in Scotland are going to want to watch the event. Of the teams you mentioned none of them have been in Europe for at least 4-5 years.

Also, word of advice, if you are going to live in another country try not to slag it off quite so much. People will think you're a terrible cunt.

[Lid]

Quoting thePontificator from 17:05, 10th Aug 2006
The title of the thread makes it evident it's about BBC 2 Scotland, so the fact that we live in the UK is irrelevant

Disagree. It's still the BBC, your licence fee goes to the same place, just Scotland gets the Scottish includes. See below.

you're living in a region so you expect it's programming to take precedent over the nationwide programming schedule.

So why is no other region afforded this? See above, regarding local football matches in my native Yorkshire.

Scotland is a country as well as a region

Insofar as the BBC is concerned, Scotland is a region, just like Yorkshire and the North Midlands, just like London. Scotland in a more real sense is a constituent country of the UK, but that wasn't the point I was making, hence my reference to the BBC's structure.

the majority of people in Scotland are going to want to watch the event.

Really? The majority?

Also, word of advice, if you are going to live in another country try not to slag it off quite so much. People will think you're a terrible cunt.

I criticise Scotland as much as I do England, probably less, in fact. In fact, as far as I consider, I'm not living in a different country, for we are all united as one kingdom.

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[niall]

Quoting Lid from 17:28, 10th Aug 2006

So why is no other region afforded this? See above, regarding local football matches in my native Yorkshire.

the BBC doesnt have the rights to show EPL or EFL matches live, hence why you wont see them. It also doenst have the rights to the Champions League (this was a qualifier mind). Also the teams you listed from yorkshire are (in comparison to the others listed) shit and don't fall into the criteria for the live matches that the BBC do have. (like England games, scotland away games, 2 FA cups games per round, 1 SFL cup game per round, 1 SFA cup game per round).

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http://www.tastyspoon.com/forum

[Bitterandtwisted]

So why is no other region afforded this? See above, regarding local football matches in my native Yorkshire.

Much of my family lives in the Stranraer area where they can only get BBC Northern Ireland. Old firm matches are dropped in favour of strange sports I've never heard of.

Bottom line: The BBC wants good ratings. They reckon more people in Scotland want to watch Scottish football than whatever is on the default Anglocentric BBC. Therefore, it makes sense to regionalize the coverage.

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[Lid]

Quoting niall from 17:41, 10th Aug 2006
the BBC doesnt have the rights to show EPL or EFL matches live, hence why you wont see them. It also doenst have the rights to the Champions League (this was a qualifier mind). Also the teams you listed from yorkshire are (in comparison to the others listed) shit and don't fall into the criteria for the live matches that the BBC do have. (like England games, scotland away games, 2 FA cups games per round, 1 SFL cup game per round, 1 SFA cup game per round).

Point of clarification. I was referring to why the BBC don't show Yorkshire teams in Yorkshire. If BBC regions are to be treated equal, when I'm home, I should be able to see the best Yorkshire teams as much as when I'm in the BBC Scotland region, I can see the best Scottish teams. All I seem to get at home is EPL matches.

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[niall]

Quoting Lid from 17:44, 10th Aug 2006


Point of clarification. I was referring to why the BBC don't show Yorkshire teams in Yorkshire. If BBC regions are to be treated equal, when I'm home, I should be able to see the best Yorkshire teams as much as when I'm in the BBC Scotland region, I can see the best Scottish teams. All I seem to get at home is EPL matches.

as i said, the BBC doesnt have the rights to show live SPL, SFL, EPL, or EFL games. hence why you don't see any!

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do you have a tastyspoon?

http://www.tastyspoon.com/forum

[gringo]

Quoting Odysseus from 12:02, 10th Aug 2006
I just get the feeling this is another attempt at Scots-bashing, which seems to be quite a popular sport on this forum. You don't like it, you can go back down South. Simple.

'isn't it ironic, don't you think'...i've lived in scotland all my life- but it does'nt make all the things i listed any less shit.

[Fozzy Bear]

when you talk about the "best Yorkshire teams", which division of the english league are they in. with scottish games, if they're not in the SPL, they generally dont get shown unless one of the teams is.

I've never seen a highland league football match shown on the tv, or even a ross county game apart from the rare occasion when they play an SPL team.

im not much of a football fan, but i dont mind it when the BBC dont show something they show elsewhere. just check the tv paper and see if its on, then complain if its supposed to be on in scotland and isnt.

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[Rufus]

Quoting Lid from 17:28, 10th Aug 2006
In fact, as far as I consider, I'm not living in a different country, for we are all united as one kingdom.

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Dur...

We're another country.

[Lid]

Quoting Rufus from 18:30, 10th Aug 2006
Dur...

We're another country.

Find me one sovereign state that recognises Scotland as a country. If you read through my previous posts, I said that Scotland is a constituent country, but is not a country per se, for it is not self governing, i.e. it is not sovereign.

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[Rufus]

Quoting Lid from 18:46, 10th Aug 2006

Quoting Rufus from 18:30, 10th Aug 2006
Dur...

We're another country.

Find me one sovereign state that recognises Scotland as a country. If you read through my previous posts, I said that Scotland is a constituent country, but is not a country per se, for it is not self governing, i.e. it is not sovereign.


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We are not drunks, we are multi-millionaires

Fair enough. You are correct. I worded that badly. My gripe isn't over semantics, it's over the fact that we are another 'nation', an entity seperate from the concept of the United Kingdom.

And for you to say that you're not in another country as you consider yourself in the United Kingdom is...a bit silly really.

[Lid]

I'd agree you were an entity separate IN the United Kingdom, but not an entity separate FROM the United Kingdom.

I can call myself British, as separate from the rest of Europe, I can call myself English, as separate from Scotland, and I can also call myself a Yorkshireman, as separate from Lancashire, Lincolnshire, and so forth. It's at what level you draw the divisions.

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[WashingtonIrving]

Only on the sinner can a discussion about a football match turn into this.

The BBC will generally show what they feel will get the most viewers. If people didn't want the match then it wouldn't be on. Complaining that BBC Scotland's output fails to meet your exact specifications is a bit ridiculous.

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I bet you don't know how to spell contridiction.

[Malcolm]

I wish Edinburgh/Central Belt/Glasgow (at a push) would opt out and get the feed from somewhere in England.

Your average Edinburgh resident is affluent and middle class, and the whole city is becoming more and more Anglicised. Edinburghers don't want to see Jimmy McHaggis climbing Ben Nevis quoting Burns every time he stops for a fag, they want to see the very latest drama series, the very latest movie premieres, 24hr international news (not a 12 year old Dalkeith ned getting kicked out of his 23rd school) etc.

I'll say it again; Scottish people may think the English are up themselves and arrogant, but are the Scots really any better? I personally don't think so.

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[WashingtonIrving]

I don't understand the problem here, when it comes to news we get both the main BBC news and our own. If you don't want to watch Reporting Scotland, then don't. And I've never seen much of a resemblance between our newsreaders and Rab McGlinchey.

BBC Scotland shows the same programmes as the BBC down south, but sometimes at different times. It also shows some Scottish programming which, like most of its output, is of variable quality. I must have missed Jimmy McHaggis, the Scottish Bill Oddie perhaps? I'd give you River City, but given the abundance of awful English soaps I don't think crappy soaps is a Scottish problem. The one thing that always annoyed me was the gaelic programming, but I don't think you can accuse BBC Scotland of Glasgow bias there.

In short, BBC Scotland is no better or worse than what gets shown down south. I can't comment on STV's output because I've no idea when I last watched any of it.

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[Fozzy Bear]

BBC Scotland (like every other broadcasting company) makes some crappy shows.
Yet, like every other company, they also get some good shows.
Chewin' the Fat and Still Game are a couple of good examples. (and as far as i remember, both were picked up in england and the rest of the UK after a while so they must be good).

but yeah, the less said about River City, the better

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"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve immortality through not dying." - Woody Allen

[Bitterandtwisted]

Quoting WashingtonIrving from 23:22, 10th Aug 2006
The one thing that always annoyed me was the gaelic programming,

How can you not like Padraig Post? Shocking, I know, that BBC Scotland should put on twenty minutes of programming in Scotland's last (barely) surviving indigenous language at 7.30am on weekdays.

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[thePontificator]

Quoting Malcolm from 22:55, 10th Aug 2006
I wish Edinburgh/Central Belt/Glasgow (at a push) would opt out and get the feed from somewhere in England.

Your average Edinburgh resident is affluent and middle class, and the whole city is becoming more and more Anglicised. Edinburghers don't want to see Jimmy McHaggis climbing Ben Nevis quoting Burns every time he stops for a fag, they want to see the very latest drama series, the very latest movie premieres, 24hr international news (not a 12 year old Dalkeith ned getting kicked out of his 23rd school) etc.

I'll say it again; Scottish people may think the English are up themselves and arrogant, but are the Scots really any better? I personally don't think so.

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" ... No-one knows what it's like, to be the bad man, to be the sad man, Behind Blue Eyes ... "

Yes, but Scottish people have apparently heard of digiboxes.

[WashingtonIrving]

Quoting Bitterandtwisted from 23:30, 10th Aug 2006
How can you not like Padraig Post? Shocking, I know, that BBC Scotland should put on twenty minutes of programming in Scotland's last (barely) surviving indigenous language at 7.30am on weekdays.

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I'm hopelessly out of touch with TV, I still bear a grudge from the days when they didn't show the Simpsons in Scotland cos of the Gaelic stuff. Hey, my Granny's first language is Gaelic, she'd kill me if she heard me badmouthing it. But its The Simpsons...

Whoever mentioned Still Game, yeah great example. Top notch Scottish comedy that (for reasons I can't comprehend) English people don't seem to get. Its amazing, you show either that or Chewin' the Fat to a non-Scot and they look really, really bemused.

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I bet you don't know how to spell contridiction.

[WashingtonIrving]

Quoting Bitterandtwisted from 23:30, 10th Aug 2006
How can you not like Padraig Post? Shocking, I know, that BBC Scotland should put on twenty minutes of programming in Scotland's last (barely) surviving indigenous language at 7.30am on weekdays.

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I'm hopelessly out of touch with TV, I still bear a grudge from the days when they didn't show the Simpsons in Scotland cos of the Gaelic stuff. Hey, my Granny's first language is Gaelic, she'd kill me if she heard me badmouthing it. But its The Simpsons...

Whoever mentioned Still Game, yeah great example. Top notch Scottish comedy that (for reasons I can't comprehend) English people don't seem to get. Its amazing, you show either that or Chewin' the Fat to a non-Scot and they look really, really bemused.

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I bet you don't know how to spell contridiction.