Police madness at my other uni too!

[Darshybaby]

Raisin Weekend letter seems crazy! Wow so glad I have graduated now! Madness. Although seems madness comes from both places I have been at!! I studied abroad at UCLA in California, for my third year and look what the UCPD did there only last night! (They have their own police force because the campus is like a small city in itself)Watch the video if you can.

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10325914/detail.html

Here is the report from the student daily newspaper:

http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960

www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3CdNgoC0cE

Hope the link still works! The Youtube one is way better to watch.

Cheers,

Darshan

PS...wish I could be there for Raisin Weekend this year!

[Darshybaby]

Oh btw...here is the police report of the incident:

http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/ucpd/zippdf/20 ... -15-06.pdf

We really do live in a messed up place! The guy now has go to court too!?

[Grandpa]

Whilst the individual concerned was in no way compliant with requests, I believe I am justified in using language fit for the gutter:

How the fuck does a country condone the use of such disgusting violence against a member of a community? This, in my opinion, goes to show that sheer brutality is allowed to pervade through society in the 'modern' (or should we read medieval??) world and is given the opportunity to raise its ugly head.

The most these two PIGS had to do was to cuff the guy, or forcible escort him out.

I am sickened that a police force, anywhere in the world, is allowed to use such implements of torture against someone so clearly of no great threat to the policemen in question.

I sincerely hope these two policemen are made to answer to this poor student, that the student can find it within himself to hear them, and that they are punished fittingly for such a clear and distinct misuse of force and the miscarriage of the implicit trust given to them by the police force, and the implicit trust placed in them by the UCLA academic community.

Surely there is serious cause for a serious (and unfortunately disturbing) debate on the use of such implements of torture by a policeforce.

It is simply wrong to torture someone in response for that person not agreeing (or in this case agreeing) to comply with some request or other. The most that needed to happen was for the police officers to carry him out, although I believe arguments will arise to the tune that he may have been a bomber or other such terrorist.

In light of this, and in light of the report that says that people are stunned to incapacitate them, then surely one such incapacitation is only necessary, thus allowing police officers to physically restrain a person and check for such bombs or other threats?

Five or six incapacitations (at least, as we are told by the news report) from a taser are completely unnecessary and a clear misuse of power.



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An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth anyone?

[Darshybaby]

Absolutely agree with you Grandpa! My roommate when I was there (two years ago) was a CSO...a community service officer...kinda like the ones you get in London and they work with the UCPD. So I always thought the UCPD (mostly cos it was created to be a police force for the California campuses) would be less brutal than the LAPD but no!

This is mad...did you read their response, which I posted above your post? Cannot believe they are going to take him to court. It is just so wrong. All I can say, is that my friends there reckon the student pretty much has the whole campus on his side. I hope they issue an apology...it is the least that he deserves. The thing is...they do those searches every night...I remember being asked for my ID so many times but never ever did I see anything like this?! I mean you would get homeless people coming into the library (it is 24 hour!) to get some sleep and the CSOs never bothered them, when they clearly were not students. Seems like these two officers were jumped up and power hungry!

Apparently lawyers are saying that it was illegal for the officer to respond
to the student who asked for his badge number, with "step back or I'll taser you too!".

Also...the taser means your limbs go numb for about 10 mins, so it was pretty barbaric to keep saying "get up and move" and then to keep tasering the poor guy, when he clearly could not move!

[exnihilo]

Quoting Grandpa from 02:07, 17th Nov 2006
... (or should we read medieval??) ...

Not if we have a scooby what it means. But...

[Senethro]

This kind of shit is why I don't listen to the idiots crying that Britain is becoming a police state. We've a long way to go yet.

Has it been mentioned yet that the student in question was persian? Racial profiling much?

[Darshybaby]

Quoting Senethro from 11:19, 17th Nov 2006
This kind of shit is why I don't listen to the idiots crying that Britain is becoming a police state. We've a long way to go yet.

Has it been mentioned yet that the student in question was persian? Racial profiling much?

Yeh it has been mentioned...but I think it was more to do with his long name rather than him being persian...UCLA has a massive Persian population and so it would be weird for the UCPD to profile them in particular. However, his long name might have triggered something. I was stopped and questioned at Toronto Airport on the way back to LA, by Homeland Security and when I complained, they brought out a black officer. I then laughed and said that was a pathetic way of making me feel better. She was very open and said my long name meant I was profiled. GREAT! Two hours of my time wasted.

I'm more likely to think that the inexperienced CSO panicked and called backup...and in walked in two UCPD officers (who also have guns btw), who happened to be on a unjustifiable power trip.

[Gubbins]

I may be being a bit dense here, but how does the length of your name affect your 'profiling'?

Besides, without his ID card (and reputedly without being given the opportunity to prove his ID otherwise), how did they know how long his name was?

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...but then again, that is only my opinion.

[DrAlex]

I do agree, for the most part, with what has been said above, and any one who would readily deliver so many drive-stuns to one person, should themselves be drive-stunned a few times. However I do not feel that the student is guilt free.

Having watched the video, and having read the article, it is quite clear that the student initially did not leave when he was asked to, perhaps even multiple times. When the authorities did arrive, it appears that he was attempting to leave, when they attempted to talk to him. After the initial taser blast, it seems that the student resists being taken out of the library for some 3-4 minutes, inevitably provoking further tases.

I have to ask, why did he feel that this was a logical course of action? Even before the authorities showed up, why didn't he just leave? When the authorities did show up, why did he resort to screaming at the top of his lungs when one of them tried to escort him out? Why, after being shown that the authorities would use their tasers, did he not just cooperate and leave?

I will refrain from making hypotheses about the young gentleman's character and general intelligence.



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[Darshybaby]

Quoting Gubbins from 13:35, 17th Nov 2006
I may be being a bit dense here, but how does the length of your name affect your 'profiling'?

Besides, without his ID card (and reputedly without being given the opportunity to prove his ID otherwise), how did they know how long his name was?

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...but then again, that is only my opinion.

Well let me answer both in order:

1) The length of name should not make a difference but that is what the Homeland Security officer told me..."You have a long Asian name and so you were profiled by the system". Like most of things...they don't make sense but then again profiling is just that...prejudices wrapped up in legality.

2) Second of all...when asked what his name was, he responded.

[Darshybaby]

Quoting DrAlex from 13:42, 17th Nov 2006
I do agree, for the most part, with what has been said above, and any one who would readily deliver so many drive-stuns to one person, should themselves be drive-stunned a few times. However I do not feel that the student is guilt free.

Having watched the video, and having read the article, it is quite clear that the student initially did not leave when he was asked to, perhaps even multiple times. When the authorities did arrive, it appears that he was attempting to leave, when they attempted to talk to him. After the initial taser blast, it seems that the student resists being taken out of the library for some 3-4 minutes, inevitably provoking further tases.

I have to ask, why did he feel that this was a logical course of action? Even before the authorities showed up, why didn't he just leave? When the authorities did show up, why did he resort to screaming at the top of his lungs when one of them tried to escort him out? Why, after being shown that the authorities would use their tasers, did he not just cooperate and leave?

I will refrain from making hypotheses about the young gentleman's character and general intelligence.



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"Listen to DrAlex."-Polli
http://standrews.facebook.com/profile.php?id=37100343

Yeh I do see what you are saying. However, the reason I mentioned that the uni has CSOs who help the UCPD is because of this: basically, he was approached by a CSO doing his ID check rounds. Now, obviously, a student who is at the library that late is either trying to meet some sort of deadline or just mad. So, if you don't have your Bruincard (matric) and you are told to leave, then you are obviously going to protest. You have to realise that the campus is huge and going all the way home to go get the card in the middle of the night, when you have tonnes of work to do is not cool. So I suspect that the CSO (as they always do) decided to use his "power" to get this guy out.

Now when the actual police turn up and are obviously being aggressive...as a student, are you going to leave with two officers who are both armed? My point is that, the student obviously panicked and felt picked on. Secondly, if the officers were then willing to do what they did in the full view of all those students, then the student obviously thought "shit, if I go outside with these two guys, anything could happen". It is not uncommon for the police to go overboard. Well that is what I think. Obviously, we don't know everything but the response from the police seems somewhat disproportionate.

[Humphrey]

I must admit, If I was that security guard I would also have come to the conclusion that ‘Its Tazer Time!!’. Nothing worse than a Bloshie student with a victim mentality.

EDIT : Apologies, that probably sounds a bit right wing

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http://www.livejournal.com/users/humphrey_clarke/

[DrAlex]

Quoting Humphrey from 15:33, 17th Nov 2006
I must admit, If I was that security guard I would also have come to the conclusion that ‘Its Tazer Time!!’. Nothing worse than a Bloshie student with a victim mentality.

EDIT : Apologies, that probably sounds a bit right wing

That's kind of where I'm coming from. From his profane shouts about The Patriot Act and his constant "civil disobedience" routine, I wouldn't be surprised if he was happy with the outcome of this little altercation. He fought the system. Hoorah.

Idiot.

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[Cain]

Quoting Gubbins from 13:35, 17th Nov 2006
I may be being a bit dense here, but how does the length of your name affect your 'profiling'?

Profiling on the length of your name is an indirect way of racial profiling. You aren't picking them because they're asian, you're picking them because they have long names, see. Thing is, There can be a number of relatively common asian names that are really long. Funny that.

I wonder if a Sebastian Featherstone-haugh (III) would also be profiled...

Of course, all of my Asian mates have really short names. lucky them.

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I hold an element of surprise

[novium]

I doubt it's a case of the police state, or profiling. In my experience, the UC cops are incompetant bozos, so its hardly unexpected. And from everything I've read, the student hardly had clean hands, getting all macho and acting like he was spoiling for a fight.

yes, the cops were wrong. I'm not arguing that. But god, this situation is a far cry from "oh, poor innocent student!" frankly, i smell a rat.

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tamen ira procul absit, cum qua nihil recte fieri, nihil considerate potest.

[Captain_Spanky]

From what I could tell from the video, that little douchbaggot (a combination of douchebag and faggot) got what he deserved. Anyone who can spout crap about "THIS IS YOUR PATRIOT ACT" after being tazed clearly hasthe ability to stand up. Which he didn't. They asked him many times, patiantly, to and he still didn't. So they tazed his ass to move him along.

And he was clearly doing it to try and get a reaction so liberal pussies would spout shit about abuse of power in their lame student blogs. People like that give students a bad name. Christ, if he was on privately owned property (in this case a university library) and the staff asked him to leave and he wouldn't, meaning they had to get the campus police, then OF COURSE they're justified in using force to get him off the premises, the same if someone refuses to leave your home or any other privately owned piece of property. Suck on that liberal fags.

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Beatrice - Darling. Dearest. Dead.

[Senethro]

Quoting Captain_Spanky from 23:03, 17th Nov 2006
From what I could tell from the video, that little douchbaggot (a combination of douchebag and faggot) got what he deserved. Anyone who can spout crap about "THIS IS YOUR PATRIOT ACT" after being tazed clearly hasthe ability to stand up. Which he didn't. They asked him many times, patiantly, to and he still didn't. So they tazed his ass to move him along.

And he was clearly doing it to try and get a reaction so liberal pussies would spout shit about abuse of power in their lame student blogs. People like that give students a bad name. Christ, if he was on privately owned property (in this case a university library) and the staff asked him to leave and he wouldn't, meaning they had to get the campus police, then OF COURSE they're justified in using force to get him off the premises, the same if someone refuses to leave your home or any other privately owned piece of property. Suck on that liberal fags.

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Beatrice - Darling. Dearest. Dead.

oh shit youve seen through us

allah-lalalalalalalaalalalalalalalalal death to amerika

[Captain_Spanky]

Yes yes everyone's a terrorist, and everyone in power is a fascist. Leet debating skills there mate.

The point still stands he was trying to stir trouble up and trouble he most certainly got. He'll now have a nice little story to tell his buddies about how THE POLICE STATE totally RAPE HIS CIVIL liberties. How terrbile modern. Whatever happened to people doing what they're told.

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Beatrice - Darling. Dearest. Dead.

[Senethro]

Quoting Captain_Spanky from 00:31, 18th Nov 2006
Whatever happened to people doing what they're told.

I think they pleaded that they were only following orders...

[Captain_Spanky]

Are you purposly misunderstanding what I'm saying because you don't actually have anything to say?

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Beatrice - Darling. Dearest. Dead.