G.A.Y Bop this weekend....

[eagle]

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[Guest]

Posting anonymously because this is a sensitive issue-

Did any of you folks consider how the christian, normal, indeed *sane* folks at St Andrews consider this BOP? There are a great many straight students there who don't want to see 'gayness' endorsed by the Union and might, indeed, feel uncomfortable going to a gay-club-themed bop.

[Mohawk]

Quoting from 16:00, 2nd Dec 2006
christian, normal,

congratulations on contradicitng yourself..

Anyone following an organised religion could be consider an extremist. Normal people don't go to church or is it just me?

[Senethro]

Quoting from 16:00, 2nd Dec 2006
Posting anonymously because this is a sensitive issue-

Did any of you folks consider how the christian, normal, indeed *sane* folks at St Andrews consider this BOP? There are a great many straight students there who don't want to see 'gayness' endorsed by the Union and might, indeed, feel uncomfortable going to a gay-club-themed bop.

haha, troll detected. Only holocaust deniers/bmp supporters and others of that ilk would feel the need to post anonymously.

Unless your position is similarly one of bigotry and intolerance of course.

[Al]

Quoting from 16:00, 2nd Dec 2006
Posting anonymously because this is a sensitive issue-

Did any of you folks consider how the christian, normal, indeed *sane* folks at St Andrews consider this BOP? There are a great many straight students there who don't want to see 'gayness' endorsed by the Union and might, indeed, feel uncomfortable going to a gay-club-themed bop.

Erm....who said that they had to go?

[Insight]

Quoting from 16:00, 2nd Dec 2006
Posting anonymously because this is a sensitive issue-

Did any of you folks consider how the christian, normal, indeed *sane* folks at St Andrews consider this BOP? There are a great many straight students there who don't want to see 'gayness' endorsed by the Union and might, indeed, feel uncomfortable going to a gay-club-themed bop.

Did you consider how the secular, normal, indeed *sane* folks at St. Andrews consider the creeping dominance of the CU? There are a great many agnostic/atheist/other-denominational students there who don't like to see 'christianity' subtly attempting to control & direct the university lives of an ever-increasing secular student population?

This does happen - one particular incident involving Sexual Health advertising (an important issue for straights and gays) being blocked by the administration for fear of offending certain student groups (I am almost certain this meant THE CU) comes to mind. If you imagine that maybe they referred to Muslims or Jews as well - I doubt it, the CU is a powerful body within the student population, given its relatively small size & the fact it is not affiliated with the Association. This is not a problem with most other universities in the country.

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[rob 'f*ck off' wine boy]

Quoting Senethro from 18:18, 2nd Dec 2006


haha, troll detected. Only holocaust deniers/bmp supporters and others of that ilk would feel the need to post anonymously.

Unless your position is similarly one of bigotry and intolerance of course.

Senethro is a bean.

[nighteyes]

Was brought up RC and am a lesbian. I will admit to being slightly insane however. But stil...just because you are a "christian" (and I hate bigots calling themselves that as I was under the impression that being christian meant "judge not lest ye be judged") does not mean that you are"sane" In fact I find the CU to be totally abnormal.

Quoting from 16:00, 2nd Dec 2006
Posting anonymously because this is a sensitive issue-

Did any of you folks consider how the christian, normal, indeed *sane* folks at St Andrews consider this BOP? There are a great many straight students there who don't want to see 'gayness' endorsed by the Union and might, indeed, feel uncomfortable going to a gay-club-themed bop.

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i didnt say i was consistant, just right!

[Frank]

Quoting nighteyes from 20:00, 2nd Dec 2006
I find the CU to be totally abnormal.

I have to say I agree. Not that the CU is wrong or anything, but it is abnormal.

I wonder, though, do I know more CU people than I do gay people? Being neither gay, nor CU, I suppose I am at least roughly independent of the sample types...

Frank

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"There is only ever one truth. Things are always black or white, there's no such thing as a shade of grey. If you think that something is a shade of grey it simply means that you don't fully understand the situation. The truth is narrow and the path of the pursuit of truth is similarly narrow."

[teagreenaddict]

Er, being Christian, likely to be CU by the end of year, and knowing quite a few IN the CU, I take exception to this little 'debate' about sanctions/the nice 'liberal's.

As far as I'm concerned, I've never been to the Bop. That's my choice. I may choose whether or not to go. I am allowed to think it's rubbish or silly to have cheesy themed nights, so long as my *voiced opinions* are not slurs on other people. I'm not even going to attempt to hold up credentials for being considered liberal - part of being Christian is 'judge not', so there Ultimately, I don't give a toss whether someone is straight or not.

As for the G.A.Y themed bop, hey, *shrug* if it raises awareness, whatever. I *do* think it felt secularising - making it a 'gay night' rather than anything else, however you look at it. You can say, 'oh, it's for everyone' but at the same time, with an orientation written across the poster, you're advertising to a particular group right there - which is FINE! Just... don't argue that you're not. (And it might be the name of a club but it's a LGBT club, not chinawhite)

I personally do not agree with considering CU people more sane than anyone else - if anything, a couple of people I know in CU are decidedly NOT sane - including my erstwhile academic father... Juggling aside, I also think that when one is arguing the benefit of non-discrimination, judging people upon such a category of belief is as bad as judging them based upon sexual orientation.

After all - there's a mighty big difference between faith, organised religion, and Evangelism, and every priest I have known, respected and gone to for advice, has been as fair and as kind and as nonjudgemental to their homosexual congregation as to me.

[Rufus]

You can smell a member of the CU; they carry with them a sort of soggy biscuity stale tea scent.

Reminds me of Sunday School- comforting.

[jequirity]

Give us a B.E.A.S.T.I.A.L.I.T.Y Bop just for the hell of it!



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LEEERRRROYYYY!!!!

Andrew W K Day 9th of May

[The Jaspar]

Quoting Cain from 21:19, 29th Nov 2006

Quoting The Jaspar from 11:49, 29th Nov 2006

To the people that went: why was it called the G.A.Y. Bop, and what was particularly G.A.Y. about it?

as the thread that you've just posted on said, it was G.A.Y. because it was imitating a London Nightclub of a similar name.

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I hold an element of surprise

Right, but that same nightclub is, according to its wikipedia article, a gay nightclub. And some people on this thread have been criticised for making references to the fact that the bop is gay-themed. I don't think it's fair to call people out on making a joke about it being called the G.A.Y. Bop when it was blatantly called this because it's supposed to be funny. I have no problem with it being called the G.A.Y. Bop, it just annoys me when people call each other homophobes for pointing out the obvious that the bop was supposed to sound like it had a certain gay-ness to it.


And this post isn't supposed to be anti-Cain. I just quoted him as a reference to the nightclub bit. It's a bit weird that I feel the need to say this, but I know someone will be offended/accuse me of trolling!

[Thalia]

Bestiality's best, boys! Bestiality's best!

...Anyway...

I don't quite understand the view that calling it a GAY bop automatically excludes people. Yeah maybe it was aimed at lgbt soc but it was still just a bop, same old music and dancing routine as always. I enjoyed it and i'm not in lgbt soc

And if your religious beliefs exclude you from accepting homosexuality as a part of our society then that's your problem, not the Union's. As an affiliated society they have as much right to the venue as anyone else.



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The shadow proves the sunshine...

...And I am a Sinner Goddess.

[grousefanatic]

Quoting Thalia from 02:43, 3rd Dec 2006
Yeah maybe it was aimed at lgbt soc but it was still just a bop, same old music and dancing routine as always. I enjoyed it and i'm not in lgbt soc

It was definitely an invitation to all, if only accepted by those who do not view anything wrong with homosexuality. That's their prerogative. In fact, there were definitely more non-LGBTsoc members at the bop than there were members of the society.

As an affiliated society they have as much right to the venue as anyone else.

Actually, sorry to be pernickity, but the night was hosted by SVS not LGBTsoc, as a charity fundraiser and an awareness night. I think it was really effective as well, though someone from SVS can give you more details on the night's success.

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veni vidi nates calce concidi - i came, i saw, i kicked ass

[Cain]

Quoting Thalia from 02:43, 3rd Dec 2006
Yeah maybe it was aimed at lgbt soc but it was still just a bop, same old music and dancing routine as always.

This is the best line in the thread.

A themed bop that's the same as any other one? Oops.

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I hold an element of surprise

[Paranoid]

Its only a bloody Bop!!

For gods sake! GAY means it excludes people? Hell, saying Gina G was showing up excluded certain members of the union too!!

Saying its a Hip-Hop night, that excludes people...


...Saying is MIDORI night...that excludes people



...GET OVER IT!

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..I've got this pain down all the diodes on my left side...

[Al]

Quoting cain from 09:06, 3rd Dec 2006

Quoting Thalia from 02:43, 3rd Dec 2006
Yeah maybe it was aimed at lgbt soc but it was still just a bop, same old music and dancing routine as always.

This is the best line in the thread.

A themed bop that's the same as any other one? Oops.

Perhaps it was the "music and dancing routine" that was being described as the same old thing, and not the music.

[teagreenaddict]

Dude, you 'get over it'! I'm not bothered - witness my lack of enthusiasm. Trust me, the reason I was not there had more to do with 'urrggh, BOP' than anything else, and I'm not bothered by sexuality at all!

That said, yes, it DOES secularise - note the word choice, not exclude - the BOP by creating a certain kind of appeal on the basis of the posters. Advertising: 'GAY-er Bop' - hmm, what does that say? To me, it says, 'this Bop is aimed at creating a gay nightclub scene within the confines of the Venue, and although I have no problem with that scene, having been in gay clubs, some people will feel uncomfortable, or as if they are not wanted.

Which is the point. Not that they are uncomfortable with homosexuality, but that they feel as though they are not wanted there. And SVS might have sponsored it, but the LGBT logo was on the posters, and um - if you're saying 'SVS is G.A.Y' I sorta think that's a genre again. (tongue in cheek, guys)

[exnihilo]

Do you actually know what "secularise" means? In what way does calling it a G.A.Y. bop and making it about awarenesess secularise it? In what way was it not secular in any other week and at any other time? Did the Archbishop used to attend?