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Anonymise your scripts please

Postby lts2 on Mon May 21, 2007 3:58 pm

Just thought I would share with the sinner audience that folding that piece of paper to cover your name does not take away from the fact that the marker knows who you are. Along with the answer booklets they also get an attendance list with our names beside matriculation numbers. As usual, the St Andrews system is totally flawed.
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Postby McK on Mon May 21, 2007 4:12 pm

Quoting lts2 from 16:58, 21st May 2007
Just thought I would share with the sinner audience that folding that piece of paper to cover your name does not take away from the fact that the marker knows who you are. Along with the answer booklets they also get an attendance list with our names beside matriculation numbers. As usual, the St Andrews system is totally flawed.


1) That is not true of all subjects. I used to mark in languages and was not given such a list.

2) Most if not all markers are not bothered whose script they are marking. Believe me, when you have 150 of the f*ckers in front of you at ten o'clock at night the last thing you are thinking about is matching names, numbers and scripts to see who wrote what.
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Postby Steveo on Mon May 21, 2007 4:21 pm

Quoting lts2 from 16:58, 21st May 2007
As usual, the St Andrews system is totally flawed.


As usual? You make the place sound like a circus. What else doesn't work here?

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Postby lauremw on Mon May 21, 2007 4:44 pm

We don't get a list of matric numbers when we're marking art history exams. And like McK said, when you have a huge stack of exams in front of you with a two day turn-around time you really don't care about "well I think this handwriting belongs to student A". With the randomisation it's also pretty unlikely that you get any of your own students' exams. I think it's a pretty fair way to do it, actually.

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Postby Lid on Mon May 21, 2007 5:03 pm

Anonymisation is a joke. For one, most lecturers and examiners have access to Data Warehouse, meaning they only need type the matric number in to find out who you are. Further, if it's your tutor, or your lecturer marks continuous assessment, they probably know your handwriting anyway.

What's even more of a joke is that some people are paranoid enough to think that their tutor would bother to mark people down for anything but academic merit.

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Postby lts2 on Mon May 21, 2007 7:55 pm

Its not that I particularly care and yes I doubt that most markers bother. I was surprised that some markers get these attendance lists and I just dont think its quite right to make out that its all anoymised when it isn't at all. And also, in a class of 10 it is a bit different as we know the lecturers and they know our handwritting anyway.
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Postby Eliot Wilson on Mon May 21, 2007 8:18 pm

Quoting Lid from 18:03, 21st May 2007
Further, if it's your tutor, or your lecturer marks continuous assessment, they probably know your handwriting anyway.


Good God, I never did when I taught. But then, I generally didn't let my little darlings hand in stuff written in their own fair paws. So I wouldn't have had a clue.

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Postby JAK on Mon May 21, 2007 8:19 pm

Is there a rule that all exams must be anonymised?

I'd assumed so, but then Symbolic Computation one really wasn't. As in, it had no anonymising measures at all, as far as I know. Although, that wasn't really an exam, I don't think.

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Postby lts2 on Mon May 21, 2007 8:57 pm


Good God, I never did when I taught. But then, I generally didn't let my little darlings hand in stuff written in their own fair paws. So I wouldn't have had a clue.



Well I went to get some assessed work back that I'd stupidly not written my name on and my lecturer said something along the lines of 'Oh its ok, I know your handwriting anyway.' Quite funny, you'd think being in the 'top 20 scientists likely to change the world' or whatever, he'd have better things to do! Hehe. I'm a 4/5th year physicists, which might explain things.
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Postby rob 'f*ck off' wine boy on Mon May 21, 2007 9:10 pm

I WILL ANONYMISE YOU!!!

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Postby Malcolm on Mon May 21, 2007 9:26 pm

In Soviet Russia, exam anonymises you.

Surely if it's a smaller number of people, like Honours Sustainable Development, it might become obvious after a while whose is whose even with the anonymity measures in place?
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Postby JAK on Mon May 21, 2007 9:35 pm

Quoting Malcolm from 22:26, 21st May 2007
In Soviet Russia, exam anonymises you.

Surely if it's a smaller number of people, like Honours Sustainable Development, it might become obvious after a while whose is whose even with the anonymity measures in place?


Case in point, exams given in departmental accommodation, for those with extra time.

As of this semester, those with extra time sit with everyone else for the exams in departmental accomodation. And as I was the only one in my class with extra time, it meant I had to hand in my "anonymised" script to my lecturer who was reading over all the other ones. Which, really, is just pointless. Does anyone know why we're supposed to anonymise, given it's apparently not something you have to do? [MT4111 and 5611 had no anonymisation at all, as far as I'm aware]

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Postby box_of_delights on Mon May 21, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting lts2 from 21:57, 21st May 2007

Good God, I never did when I taught. But then, I generally didn't let my little darlings hand in stuff written in their own fair paws. So I wouldn't have had a clue.



Well I went to get some assessed work back that I'd stupidly not written my name on and my lecturer said something along the lines of 'Oh its ok, I know your handwriting anyway.' Quite funny, you'd think being in the 'top 20 scientists likely to change the world' or whatever, he'd have better things to do! Hehe. I'm a 4/5th year physicists, which might explain things.



In every subject I've done in Arts (bar one in first year) it's been expressely forbidden to hand in any assessed work that isn't typed. How would a tutor recognise your handwriting?

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Postby JAK on Mon May 21, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting box_of_delights from 22:36, 21st May 2007
Quoting lts2 from 21:57, 21st May 2007

Good God, I never did when I taught. But then, I generally didn't let my little darlings hand in stuff written in their own fair paws. So I wouldn't have had a clue.



Well I went to get some assessed work back that I'd stupidly not written my name on and my lecturer said something along the lines of 'Oh its ok, I know your handwriting anyway.' Quite funny, you'd think being in the 'top 20 scientists likely to change the world' or whatever, he'd have better things to do! Hehe. I'm a 4/5th year physicists, which might explain things.



In every subject I've done in Arts (bar one in first year) it's been expressely forbidden to hand in any assessed work that isn't typed. How would a tutor recognise your handwriting?

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I've never had that expressly forbidden in any of the science courses I've done. In many, it's basically required.

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Postby hoopy froodette on Mon May 21, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting box_of_delights from 22:36, 21st May 2007
In every subject I've done in Arts (bar one in first year) it's been expressely forbidden to hand in any assessed work that isn't typed. How would a tutor recognise your handwriting?

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In a subject like Latin or Greek you may have to hand unseen translations in fairly often and it's not usual to type them up. The groups are often very small, so if your handwriting is particularly distinctive it's possible it could be recognised.

Also, tutors sometimes pick up the exam papers when they see a candidate leave early and read them--in this case they know exactly whose paper it is.

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Postby David Bean on Mon May 21, 2007 11:16 pm

Quoting Malcolm from 22:26, 21st May 2007
In Soviet Russia, exam anonymises you.


I've heard versions of this joke before, but I don't recognise the source. Can anyone enlighten a poor little neo-Mancunian?

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Postby [James] on Mon May 21, 2007 11:21 pm

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Postby rob 'f*ck off' wine boy on Mon May 21, 2007 11:31 pm



No, sorry, wikipedia is not an acceptable source here at The Sinner. Please go do your own research and then return.
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Postby [James] on Mon May 21, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting rob 'f*ck off' wine boy from 00:31, 22nd May 2007
No, sorry, wikipedia is not an acceptable source here at The Sinner. Please go do your own research and then return.

The Yakov Smirnoff page actually has a warning saying "this article or section may contain original research", so that's near enough for me.
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Postby David Bean on Tue May 22, 2007 12:04 am

It'll do for me, thank you!

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