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SSS and the Union Scare-mongering

Postby munchingfoo on Thu May 11, 2006 2:35 pm

St Andrews' Students know how to celebrate their successes and that is something that we don't want to spoil. Students cite "tradition" - but these are now taking a format that is far from traditional. Frankly, it's sometimes plain stupid, dangerous and abusive.

The good humoured enjoyment of years gone by has, over the past year in particular, taken a dark turn which is resulting in more accidents, upset to others and arrogantly displayed abuse to staff, townspeople and other students.

This kind of behaviour by a minority of students is not only something which we all want to discourage, it is something which we have to stop before it spoils the fun for everyone.

Exam celebrations are the most current concern, where there is the tradition of soaking a friend after their final exam. We tried to compromise last year and asked for students to use water only (even if it is sparkling!). While we have to say "thank you" to the vast majority of students who adhered to that and had great fun, we still were confronted with people trying to sneak in all sorts of sticky foodstuffs - and, on some occasions, dangerous implements. Passers-by have been covered. The mess left in public places has been brought to the attention of the Police. When asked, by the janitors and Estates staff, to hand over banned foodstuffs, abuse and confrontation has been the result.

I have to add that there is a major change to the way the University shall deal with offenders at both the exam celebrations and at Raisin weekend in 2006. The Police and the University discipline teams have reviewed procedures and announce that behaviour that is not acceptable will have a zero tolerance response from now on.

The Police and University disciplinary officers will be in attendance at examinations, checking up on random exam exits and will follow up all inappropriate behaviour. If the Police prosecute in this instance it would be wrong for the University to advocate on your behalf, and prosecution may lead to a permanent Police record. Other penalties include fines issued by the University and the Students' Association revoking Graduation Ball tickets.

We would ask that you please have fun, but have it on University property, stick to the cordoned off areas - they're the ones that belong to us and which we can clean up. Stick to water only! And above all keep safe.



Chris Lusk Alex Yabroff

Director of Student Support Services President, Students Association



Could someone please explain to me what actions that a number of students have taken over the past few years which would warrant a criminal record if caught and charged?

Throwing food stuffs about might get you done under littering laws but these bring about spot fines - not criminal records.

And these dangerous implements - okay so how many people turned up last year weilding knifes and machettes?

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Postby Midget on Thu May 11, 2006 2:52 pm

a) Why was it only sent to fourth year students it is the students of lower years who usually get their fourth year friends post-exam, I as a fourth year cannot help if I am attacked after my final exam.

b) What munchinfoo said, throwing water, food etc is not a criminal matter. Thats total scaremongering.

c) When was it not safe? Is being hit with flour and eggs, or fizzy wine ridiculously dangerous? When was anyone hospitalised after post-exam celebrations.

d) Don't lecture us on tradition, we're the students we are responsible for that. Plus don't think this Uni doesn't do well from having a wonderfully fun sense of community and student traditions that unite us all in a common bond (May Dip, Academic families, Rectoral installations...).

By the way any people with final exams who I know well, don't think you're of the hook...

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Postby McK on Thu May 11, 2006 2:57 pm

Now now, the St Andrews branch of the Fife Constabulary has to think of things to do to fill its day.
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Postby Ben Reilly on Thu May 11, 2006 2:59 pm

If people disagree with what was said, they should come along to SRC tonight (7.30, Committee Room) and make their case.
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Postby Jason Dunn on Thu May 11, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting Ben Reilly from 15:59, 11th May 2006
If people disagree with what was said, they should come along to SRC tonight (7.30, Committee Room) and make their case.


... as opposed to posting on this board? Persumably our representatives read this, and will raise the concerns here voiced?
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Postby munchingfoo on Thu May 11, 2006 3:06 pm

The problem with that being Ben is that those concerned will likely be revising tonight rather than attending a meeting to discuss the Union and SSS's lack of knowledge surrounding the law.

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Postby Dave the Explosive Newt on Thu May 11, 2006 3:06 pm

I imagine this (admitted rather heavy-handed sounding) email is simply to remind people that it's not acceptable to egg random passers by or involve poison/acid/razor blades/automatic rifles in their celebrations.

Fortunately it doesn't apply to me, as I'm not a 4th year....

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Postby Jason Dunn on Thu May 11, 2006 3:12 pm

Quoting Dave the Explosive Newt from 16:06, 11th May 2006


Fortunately it doesn't apply to me, as I'm not a 4th year....


The Raisin Weekend bit does, though. However you could be forgiven for missing it, clumsily stuck in without a whiff of justication, as it is.
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Postby DrAlex on Thu May 11, 2006 3:12 pm

Quoting munchingfoo from 16:06, 11th May 2006
The problem with that being Ben is that those concerned will likely be revising tonight rather than attending a meeting to discuss the Union and SSS's lack of knowledge surrounding the law.


And so continues the cycle of Union politics. The wannabe hacks complain to the hacks, the hacks accommodate the wannabe hacks, and the rest of us just go with the flow.

Edit: I'm a bit concerned by the total lack of outlining of unacceptable behaviours. Common sense to me, may be something very different than to you.

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Postby Ben Reilly on Thu May 11, 2006 3:20 pm

The only way things change is if you make them change. If you feel strongly about something, challenge people to make them change.
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Postby Dave the Explosive Newt on Thu May 11, 2006 3:21 pm

Quoting Jason Dunn from 16:12, 11th May 2006
Quoting Dave the Explosive Newt from 16:06, 11th May 2006


Fortunately it doesn't apply to me, as I'm not a 4th year....


The Raisin Weekend bit does, though. However you could be forgiven for missing it, clumsily stuck in without a whiff of justication, as it is.


Ah-ha, but the email is prefaced

11 May 2006

Email to all 4th year Students

Student Celebrations


And it comes from the mysterious 'bm61@st-andrews.ac.uk'. I must admit I almost deleted it at first, assuming it to be spam.

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Postby Dave the Explosive Newt on Thu May 11, 2006 3:23 pm

Quoting Ben Reilly from 16:20, 11th May 2006
The only way things change is if you make them change. If you feel strongly about something, challenge people to make them change.


That's quite a soundbite, Ben. So you're suggesting Andy foresakes his revision to sit through SRC and air his concerns? I'm sure I've mentioned before that the reason we elected folk is so that they can take our views forward for us? Is strikes me that this has been done at the exact time that those who are most affected by it (i.e. final year students) will be the ones who can do the least to complain.

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Postby Jason Dunn on Thu May 11, 2006 3:24 pm

Oh I see. Well 4th years still around for Raisin Weekend are clearly up to no good, and should duely be prosecuted.
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Postby Dave the Explosive Newt on Thu May 11, 2006 3:26 pm

Edit - wrong bloody button.
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Postby Ben Reilly on Thu May 11, 2006 3:26 pm

Either that or find somebody else who feels as strongly as he does about this to come along.
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Postby Laura on Thu May 11, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting Ben Reilly from 16:26, 11th May 2006
Either that or find somebody else who feels as strongly as he does about this to come along.


Or tell a representative to put your view forward??

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Postby Ben Reilly on Thu May 11, 2006 3:50 pm

If by that you mean a member of the SRC, then no. The point of representatives is to put forward a collective view, not that of an individual.

Edit: To clarify:

I mean that just asking a representative to put one's views forwards is useless. Either convince them that your point of view is the correct one and have them act appropriately, or come along yourself.
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Postby A66 on Thu May 11, 2006 3:52 pm

Quoting Ben Reilly from 16:50, 11th May 2006
The point of representatives is to put forward a collective view, not that of an individual.


But no one has disagreed with him, most agreeing that it sounds like garbage. Surely that is a collective view?
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Postby Ben Reilly on Thu May 11, 2006 3:54 pm

I would say that it is the view of more than one person. That does not necessarily make it the view of the collective.
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Postby Laura on Thu May 11, 2006 3:56 pm

Quoting Ben Reilly from 16:50, 11th May 2006
If by that you mean a member of the SRC, then no. The point of representatives is to put forward a collective view, not that of an individual.

Edit: To clarify:

I mean that just asking a representative to put one's views forwards is useless. Either convince them that your point of view is the correct one and have them act appropriately, or come along yourself.


There have been lots of times when SRC members have come to a meeting and have been specifically asked by a student to ask about a worry or a grievance.. often we find it hard to understand how students really feel and I am yet to be convinced that the SRC has ever had an effective way of collating evidence for a collective view.

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