Unregisted User wrote on 11:12, 8th Jun 2004:
So you are still continuing to argue, now against yourself. And your still not worried about the lack of intelligence you are displaying. Gee, I wonder who the user the Cellar Bar must be - I know it must be the owner of the Vic huh.
Yes, it is blindingly obvious that they are the propietor of the Cellar bar, but what I am asking, you complete idiot, is WHO ARE THEY???Is it someone I should know about town? because I certainly won't know them from the Cellar as I've had a drink in there perhaps 5 times at the most this year. Its quite pathetic to observe someone as yourself trying to undermine anothers argument with a childish comments such as "Oh your stupid, you don't possess an ounce of intelligence due to the fact you don't know who the cellar bar is". Yes, I bow down to your obviously superior intelligence and prowess.
You can't even understand the rest of the posts, so much for respecting other people's opinions - but you don't agree with them? yes that's a good reason for not respecting them.
What are you babbling on about you incoherent fool? I understand that you are criticising us because we make fun of Neds, I don't respect your opinion because its blatantly obvious that you are arguing because you want to appear as a liberal minded, ultra PC citizen, and the basis of your argument relies on your assumption that we are taking the piss out of Neds for their social stature, and not because they are in fact liitle shits.
Keep making fools of yourselves please - it really is more amusing. Much more fun laughing at people like you than going to someone's webpage to laugh at them.
Please - humiliate yourselves some more. It's fun.
Believe me love, you really do appear to be the only one laughing here, the rest of us are getting fed up with the repetitive, condescending, patronising and just for the sake of arguing posts you contribute on this thread. Were you born without a sense of humour or did you have to work on it?
Oh and a little challenge for you - try and do one post answering people's comments where you do not use personal insults or intimidating comments.
Define intimitading. would that be warning you not to go into a certain pub for fear of what the locals mught do? And what is a personal insult? If you are refering to the use of bad language, then get real-it is after all an expression of anger or frustration in speech, not a direct attack on your person or circumstances. You are a dirty little scaff who lives on ... street where everyone is scum, but I suppose your father was a crack dealer and your mother sold herself on the streets of ... just to put clothes on your back, so we can understand why you're such a pathetic little wretch. THAT, is a personal insult, not calling you an uptight square, which you appear to be, judging by the nature of your posts and your continued persistance to antagonise myself and others on the thread.
And yes people will defend Picard because he obviously had a lot of problems and personally if I see someone like that I would not antagonise them. That is called being a bully. Well done you.
I assume you mean Agnus Dei (but, come to think of it, they could be one and the same) and I certainly don't dispute the fact that he had a problem, that being he was an asshole whose main purpose on the sinner was to start unnecessary fights. And you dare to compare me to a bully? words fail me. Please read that particular thread through, then ask yourself was I bullying him. I cannot believe someone would actually stoop this low just to try and gain a foothold in an argument they cannot justify starting.
Now, finally, since previous posts have failed to show you the essential nature of this post, I will try to make this as simple as possible.
WE HATE NEDS BECAUSE-
1. They are antisocial
2. They do not contribute to society in a positive manner
3. They positively relish in behaving in a physically aggressive and confrontational manner.
WE DON'T HATE NEDS BECAUSE OF-
1. What they wear
2. Where they live
3. The way they talk
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by The Cellar Bar on Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:20 pm
hey Humphrey
and first off, I'm sorry to hear that you went through something as crappy as you did. That stinks and no-one is gonna blame you for having an attitude against anyone similar.
Overall, what I reacted to was the way in which this thread seemed to be running down the line that wascoming over as looking down on anyone else and doing so through "words and Pictures". Yeah, I know, I've said it before and we've been through all that.
The problem is that this University already has a reputation out there as being strictly for the snobs of this world and that rep refuses to lie down and die. And like it or not, the "words" that you and others were using seemed to reinforce that for anyone looking in from the outside. Even before my time - no really!! - the "words" were different. Words likes "oiks" and "yobs" were preferred back then. But they meant the same. "Famous 5" types who found it just soooo amusing how others talked. And that attitude was reflected in this thread with the crap about Translators and "understanding what they were saying" and all the rest. Not to mention the "19th Hole" crap about having kids early and often, living off decent tax-payers, being work-shy, not making anything of their lives etc etc etc. All good Thatcherite cliche snobbery from "Middle Englanders"
Interestingly enough, I've only come across the "working class hero" sneer from their successors as well. I usually associate it with VW Golfs, striped blue and white shirts with de rigeur collar turned up and the rest. I'm not too sure when it made its appearance elsewhere but it's fairly obvious that it's common currency now further on down the line. I just find it surprising that it's now in use by others who probably aren't of that ilk. And again it comes across as a sneering put-down directed against anyone who has the audacity to suggest there is an element of snobbery in deriding anyone else that isn't here.
I don't see anything either PC or "working class hero" in reacting the way I did. This place is supposed to be an open, broad-minded place where everyone is welcome and learns from being here. This University's experience over the past few years has probably enhanced its "snob" value and edged it further in that direction among those considering coming here. We don't need that because it will change the nature of the place. And, whether you meant it that way or not, that's how I read it when you put up the sites and others respond the way they did.
and first off, I'm sorry to hear that you went through something as crappy as you did. That stinks and no-one is gonna blame you for having an attitude against anyone similar.
Overall, what I reacted to was the way in which this thread seemed to be running down the line that wascoming over as looking down on anyone else and doing so through "words and Pictures". Yeah, I know, I've said it before and we've been through all that.
The problem is that this University already has a reputation out there as being strictly for the snobs of this world and that rep refuses to lie down and die. And like it or not, the "words" that you and others were using seemed to reinforce that for anyone looking in from the outside. Even before my time - no really!! - the "words" were different. Words likes "oiks" and "yobs" were preferred back then. But they meant the same. "Famous 5" types who found it just soooo amusing how others talked. And that attitude was reflected in this thread with the crap about Translators and "understanding what they were saying" and all the rest. Not to mention the "19th Hole" crap about having kids early and often, living off decent tax-payers, being work-shy, not making anything of their lives etc etc etc. All good Thatcherite cliche snobbery from "Middle Englanders"
Interestingly enough, I've only come across the "working class hero" sneer from their successors as well. I usually associate it with VW Golfs, striped blue and white shirts with de rigeur collar turned up and the rest. I'm not too sure when it made its appearance elsewhere but it's fairly obvious that it's common currency now further on down the line. I just find it surprising that it's now in use by others who probably aren't of that ilk. And again it comes across as a sneering put-down directed against anyone who has the audacity to suggest there is an element of snobbery in deriding anyone else that isn't here.
I don't see anything either PC or "working class hero" in reacting the way I did. This place is supposed to be an open, broad-minded place where everyone is welcome and learns from being here. This University's experience over the past few years has probably enhanced its "snob" value and edged it further in that direction among those considering coming here. We don't need that because it will change the nature of the place. And, whether you meant it that way or not, that's how I read it when you put up the sites and others respond the way they did.
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by Manic23 on Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:41 pm
It's nice to see a coherently worded argument, and perhaps I was a bit harsh in calling you an "Egotistical wanker". My apologies.
What I do find horrifying though is that you assume we were upper class snobs who were just having a laugh at the working class for their 'funny little proletariat mannerisms', honestly thats not the case. I too have had nasty experiences with Neds here and at home (though not to the same extent as Humphrey, just being called a 'dirty fenian bastard' and other such unpleasantries), and that is why I get filled with rage at their websites, bragging about what nefarious activities they get up to, and I get even more angry when people accuse me of classism etc for airing my hatred of these troublemakers.
I equally loath the element of St Andrews students who do actively believe they are of more worth than other mere commoners at the uni, you know the type; daddys little angels with their american express platinum cards, air kissing and the apparent necessity to show everyone how wealthy they are (i once observed a group of yahs celebrating in ma bells the delivery of their cars to st andrews). Having money is fine. flaunting it and deliberately rubbing others noses in it is not acceptable.
Anyway, ramble over, just wanted to attempt to clear that up. Perhaps I didn't, but at least I tried.
What I do find horrifying though is that you assume we were upper class snobs who were just having a laugh at the working class for their 'funny little proletariat mannerisms', honestly thats not the case. I too have had nasty experiences with Neds here and at home (though not to the same extent as Humphrey, just being called a 'dirty fenian bastard' and other such unpleasantries), and that is why I get filled with rage at their websites, bragging about what nefarious activities they get up to, and I get even more angry when people accuse me of classism etc for airing my hatred of these troublemakers.
I equally loath the element of St Andrews students who do actively believe they are of more worth than other mere commoners at the uni, you know the type; daddys little angels with their american express platinum cards, air kissing and the apparent necessity to show everyone how wealthy they are (i once observed a group of yahs celebrating in ma bells the delivery of their cars to st andrews). Having money is fine. flaunting it and deliberately rubbing others noses in it is not acceptable.
Anyway, ramble over, just wanted to attempt to clear that up. Perhaps I didn't, but at least I tried.
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by The Cellar Bar on Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:33 pm
no sweat, my friend. It took a while but at least we both got there eventually!!
And if you were horrified to be thought of as a "snob", then it's nothing compared to how I felt when I was accused of being "PC" I've spent the best part of my life, healthily resisting that and I don't intend taking my eye off that ball right now.
I also spent a good 15 years as a Youth Worker and I've come across the guys you're talking about. "My guys" were nowhere near that level but you come across them and up close and personal. And there is a problem, no doubt about that.
It wasn't a case of defending them. It was more a case, that as a Graduate of this place, I reacted to how some here see others outside of the loop. And it does sweet bugger all for the reputation of this place if it is misread. This remains one of the best places to "grow up" and you'd be amazed at just how it gets under people's skin. You won't believe the number of piss artists from the past who come back for reunions because, years on, they still love the place and it has a special place in their hearts.
The "problem" is that it takes all kinds to make up this place and we've all seen what's happened in recent years through no fault of our own. And the snobbery and money and attitudes that is poxing around right now is a real pain in the butt sometimes. And unfortunately, read the wrong way, this thread was headed towards suggesting that it was really taking a grip.
Get in sometime and I'll sell you a pint. Discounted of course just to prove there's no hard feelings!!!
And if you were horrified to be thought of as a "snob", then it's nothing compared to how I felt when I was accused of being "PC" I've spent the best part of my life, healthily resisting that and I don't intend taking my eye off that ball right now.
I also spent a good 15 years as a Youth Worker and I've come across the guys you're talking about. "My guys" were nowhere near that level but you come across them and up close and personal. And there is a problem, no doubt about that.
It wasn't a case of defending them. It was more a case, that as a Graduate of this place, I reacted to how some here see others outside of the loop. And it does sweet bugger all for the reputation of this place if it is misread. This remains one of the best places to "grow up" and you'd be amazed at just how it gets under people's skin. You won't believe the number of piss artists from the past who come back for reunions because, years on, they still love the place and it has a special place in their hearts.
The "problem" is that it takes all kinds to make up this place and we've all seen what's happened in recent years through no fault of our own. And the snobbery and money and attitudes that is poxing around right now is a real pain in the butt sometimes. And unfortunately, read the wrong way, this thread was headed towards suggesting that it was really taking a grip.
Get in sometime and I'll sell you a pint. Discounted of course just to prove there's no hard feelings!!!
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by Humphrey on Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:45 pm
Problem seems to be that the impersonal nature of internet posting means that personal insults are thrown about willnilly, hence its taken a series of confusing rants to reach a common position. Yahs are wankers pure and simple, we could devote an entire thread to these elitist scumbags, but in my opinion just as having a wad of cash is no excuse to be snobbish, so coming from a deprived background is no excuse for beating the living daylights out of passing bystanders who are minding their own business. Sorry bout the working class hero jibe, its hot and I was having a shitty day at that point. In using ‘working class hero’ as a derogatory insult I am referring not to those who stick up for those from working class backgrounds but those who take this position to extremes. I’ve lost count of the number of times (usually at a party when I’m just minding my own business) I’ve been accused by some twat of being completely undeserving and never having done a scrap of work in my life because I come from an ‘upper middle class’ background, a kind of reverse snobbery. My name is also Humphrey, which to most people instantly spells ‘stuck up cunt’ and leads me to some times play up to the stereotype, there is after all no more pathetic thing than middle class guilt.Excusing NEDS for their behavior because we shouldnt mock those who are different seemed to me to evoke a similar attitude, a worthy postion but taken to extremes, hence the 'working class hero'. This is not a Yah thread, nor is it anti Scottish, all I was trying to do is take the piss out of gangs of violent youths whose idea of a good night out is to throw bricks at people, a kind of name and shame if you will. I wrote in a snobbish manner because a) it pisses off the NEDs who read my reviews and b) because my mates tell me its funnier. You have a point that some of the sites perhaps do not deserve to be on here and mocked, I feel the ‘North Motherwell Posse’ do because they have a death threats page and boast that they like to stab people. I am lucky enough not to have been attacked by NEDS which is probably a good thing because I fight like a girl, but I know a lot of people who have and that’s why I got so upset when someone defends them. Keep the Erdinger flowing Cellar bar.
I'm tired so lets leave the last word to the Chinatoon Posse, truth be told I love em really, especially after they thanked me for making them 'famous'
'The young team went up the cally for a scrap wi the kemlin boys but they shit it and didni come up. typical fukin shitbags. then some shit started stirring up wi chungys n then d-von gave daniel sims an awfy dig to the face n he fell at least a metre back n then they were on the deck scrappin but d-von wis still gettin the better o him n then d-von got kicked to the heed a couple o times so pony n aero kicked daniel to the heed n then they got split it up n there wis boot 8 folk haudin d-von back n pony wis aboot the only wan tellin everycunt to let him go and fite um . lol then they aw just stomped back doon chinatoon.'
No bad wkend lyk
I'm tired so lets leave the last word to the Chinatoon Posse, truth be told I love em really, especially after they thanked me for making them 'famous'
'The young team went up the cally for a scrap wi the kemlin boys but they shit it and didni come up. typical fukin shitbags. then some shit started stirring up wi chungys n then d-von gave daniel sims an awfy dig to the face n he fell at least a metre back n then they were on the deck scrappin but d-von wis still gettin the better o him n then d-von got kicked to the heed a couple o times so pony n aero kicked daniel to the heed n then they got split it up n there wis boot 8 folk haudin d-von back n pony wis aboot the only wan tellin everycunt to let him go and fite um . lol then they aw just stomped back doon chinatoon.'
No bad wkend lyk
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by Guest on Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:31 pm
[s]Humphrey wrote on 13:58, 8th Jun 2004:
Firstly my reasons for posting Ned websites. Aside from the amusement factor, there are personal issues at stake here, a mate of mine got beaten up...
By all means have something against the people who actually have done something to deserve your dislike, but why have a thread dedicated to laughing at people that you have no idea what they are like. People can be whoever they want to be on a website and all you can tell about the people on that site is a) they say stupid offensive stuff - you'd be hard pushed to find an online forum where that didn't happen, b) they wear a certain kind if clothes, and c) like drinking certain stuff or hanging out in certain places. Purely circumstantial, and yet lots of people have fun laughing at them. Based on what they do? No, you do not know these people, you haven't seen them in real life.
It is all based on how they apear to be, how they look and how they sound. That is what people have been trying to point out. If yor neighbour is a "ned" and has threatened you or someone you know then complain about them but to laugh at those that look like that kind of a person - that is just wrong.
But why waste my time, everyone is going to blindly ignore the fact that you do not know these people and therefore have no idea if what is on those websites is real or not. All you want to do is laugh at them because of what they look like, or how they appear to be. But in doing that you very much reduce the level of your whole argument that neds are bad.
A ned is supposed to be someone who does bad things and you do not know if those people have or have not done stuff like that, all you know is what they look and sound like. That is a fact, and a very sad one at that.
The rest of you can continue to tie yoursleves up in knots and ignore the other points of view but I'm afraid you are in the wrong because you are not having a go at violent neds or those who bother you but only those who LOOK like neds for you do not know them. Simple.
But good luck in life to you all, with closed minds like that I'm sure you'l get far.
Firstly my reasons for posting Ned websites. Aside from the amusement factor, there are personal issues at stake here, a mate of mine got beaten up...
By all means have something against the people who actually have done something to deserve your dislike, but why have a thread dedicated to laughing at people that you have no idea what they are like. People can be whoever they want to be on a website and all you can tell about the people on that site is a) they say stupid offensive stuff - you'd be hard pushed to find an online forum where that didn't happen, b) they wear a certain kind if clothes, and c) like drinking certain stuff or hanging out in certain places. Purely circumstantial, and yet lots of people have fun laughing at them. Based on what they do? No, you do not know these people, you haven't seen them in real life.
It is all based on how they apear to be, how they look and how they sound. That is what people have been trying to point out. If yor neighbour is a "ned" and has threatened you or someone you know then complain about them but to laugh at those that look like that kind of a person - that is just wrong.
But why waste my time, everyone is going to blindly ignore the fact that you do not know these people and therefore have no idea if what is on those websites is real or not. All you want to do is laugh at them because of what they look like, or how they appear to be. But in doing that you very much reduce the level of your whole argument that neds are bad.
A ned is supposed to be someone who does bad things and you do not know if those people have or have not done stuff like that, all you know is what they look and sound like. That is a fact, and a very sad one at that.
The rest of you can continue to tie yoursleves up in knots and ignore the other points of view but I'm afraid you are in the wrong because you are not having a go at violent neds or those who bother you but only those who LOOK like neds for you do not know them. Simple.
But good luck in life to you all, with closed minds like that I'm sure you'l get far.
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by Humphrey on Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:53 pm
I see what you are saying, but I really think you should visit these sites before you can really condemn us for being too judgemental. The people on these sites not only look like and sound like those who have personally offended me, they also glorify and promote the kinds of acts of vandalism, binge drinking and violence that many of us experience on a weekly basis. These kind of sites are the 'pondlife' of the web and deserve to be mocked, sorry if that’s not post-modern enough.
And on that note
ya bas!
http://y-b-f-no1.tk/
http://www.falkirkboys.tk/
http://www.krismcc.freewebspace.com/
http://www.marksmith.freewebspace.com/
http://www.freewebs.com/larberthigh/larberthighppl.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/carbrainYoungTroops/
We all love our friday nites n saturdays but we don't really fukin care wat day of the week its is to drink its just the next day whether your in work college or shcool youve fukin got to suffer but we just go to sleep n tell the teachers to fuck off. Our favorite booze goes like this
Jordan- Loves the fukin Mad Dog 20/20 keylime n pie.
Jamil- Loves his six cans for £5 miller is the gem.
Doyle-The same as Jamil he has his six cans.
Stiv- I gotta hand it to him 2 drinks to finish his bottle of wine he loves the TONIC!.
Nihla- Nih is definately the wine queen every weekend its a bottle without failure!.
http://www.freewebs.com/cassahellcrew/index.htm
And on that note
ya bas!
http://y-b-f-no1.tk/
http://www.falkirkboys.tk/
http://www.krismcc.freewebspace.com/
http://www.marksmith.freewebspace.com/
http://www.freewebs.com/larberthigh/larberthighppl.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/carbrainYoungTroops/
We all love our friday nites n saturdays but we don't really fukin care wat day of the week its is to drink its just the next day whether your in work college or shcool youve fukin got to suffer but we just go to sleep n tell the teachers to fuck off. Our favorite booze goes like this
Jordan- Loves the fukin Mad Dog 20/20 keylime n pie.
Jamil- Loves his six cans for £5 miller is the gem.
Doyle-The same as Jamil he has his six cans.
Stiv- I gotta hand it to him 2 drinks to finish his bottle of wine he loves the TONIC!.
Nihla- Nih is definately the wine queen every weekend its a bottle without failure!.
http://www.freewebs.com/cassahellcrew/index.htm
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by Midget on Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:43 pm
Good to see the two ex-athollites Humphrey and Cellar Bar have made it up.
Sorry that that unregistered user still isn't happy. What is he/she/they/piece of pond slime babbling on about? Why can't they register so we know if its one person or else just shut the fuck up.
Neds wouldn't have put up websites if they didn't want us to go and look at them, plus they are blatently taking the piss and want to be laughed at.
Sorry that that unregistered user still isn't happy. What is he/she/they/piece of pond slime babbling on about? Why can't they register so we know if its one person or else just shut the fuck up.
Neds wouldn't have put up websites if they didn't want us to go and look at them, plus they are blatently taking the piss and want to be laughed at.
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by Manic23 on Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:54 pm
[s]Unregisted User wrote on 16:07, 8th Jun 2004:
But good luck in life to you all, with closed minds like that I'm sure you'l get far.
Why drag this thread up again when it ended on a relatively peaceful note 3 days ago? For god sake, give over.
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But good luck in life to you all, with closed minds like that I'm sure you'l get far.
Why drag this thread up again when it ended on a relatively peaceful note 3 days ago? For god sake, give over.
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by amac on Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:55 pm
[s]Midget wrote on 20:43, 10th Jun 2004:plus they are blatently taking the piss and want to be laughed at.
Thats assuming a certain amount of intelligence on their part.
Did anyone see the Scottish news last night? There was a 10 year old ned drinking reef!
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Thats assuming a certain amount of intelligence on their part.
Did anyone see the Scottish news last night? There was a 10 year old ned drinking reef!
[hr]Look left! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said left you retard
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