Why are so many people voting for the Conservatives on the poll?

[Eliot Wilson]

Quoting Rufus from 02:01, 8th Apr 2007
Seriously: why?!

25 people?

Ugh.

I can smell the stench of souls rotting from here.

Ah, I'd forgotten how vacuous, witless, sanctimonious and arrogant student politics can be, but you've reminded me. Thank you.

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Bill and Ted beat the Grim Reaper at Twister

Bill: "You played very well, Death, especially with your totally heavy Death robes."

Death: "Don't patronise me."

[papercutheart]

Quoting thebrookster from 10:28, 8th Apr 2007
I am not certain if I am meant to be worried or happy about the fact that I have been the only person to vote for the Solidarity party so far!! Surely there must be more people in St Andrews of a Socialist view point than just me! Never mind, At least I know where I am at.

I am but I'm not voting Solidarity.

[novium]

my god, what an outrage. People having the temerity to have their own opinions, to vote for whoever the like. When *obviously* everyone should only think one thing. Obviously.

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tamen ira procul absit, cum qua nihil recte fieri, nihil considerate potest.

[LonelyPilgrim]

Forgive me for being an ignorant American, but surely the people who support the party that is bringing you national ID cards and all that (Labour) are far more apt to be 'dead inside' than folks voting for smaller government...

And then, on the other hand, what is the point of assigning moral stature to a political party in the first place? All parties are, in their nature, powerhungry ammoral organisations with a proclivity to tyrannical tendencies if left in power overlong.

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Arma virumque cano...

[Rufus]

Quoting Eliot Wilson from 19:29, 8th Apr 2007

Quoting Rufus from 02:01, 8th Apr 2007
Seriously: why?!

25 people?

Ugh.

I can smell the stench of souls rotting from here.

Ah, I'd forgotten how vacuous, witless, sanctimonious and arrogant student politics can be, but you've reminded me. Thank you.

[hr]

Bill and Ted beat the Grim Reaper at Twister

Bill: "You played very well, Death, especially with your totally heavy Death robes."

Death: "Don't patronise me."

And that statement isn't 'vacuous, witless, sanctimonious and arrogant'?

No, no of course it isn't.

Toodle-pip, wot wot!

[Rufus]

Quoting LonelyPilgrim from 21:18, 8th Apr 2007
Forgive me for being an ignorant American, but surely the people who support the party that is bringing you national ID cards and all that (Labour) are far more apt to be 'dead inside' than folks voting for smaller government...

And then, on the other hand, what is the point of assigning moral stature to a political party in the first place? All parties are, in their nature, powerhungry ammoral organisations with a proclivity to tyrannical tendencies if left in power overlong.

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Arma virumque cano...

Absolutely. I agree with you entirely.

[Frank]

Quoting LonelyPilgrim from 21:18, 8th Apr 2007surely the people who support the party that is bringing you national ID cards and all that (Labour) are far more apt to be 'dead inside' than folks voting for smaller government...

I'm not even sure if I disagree!

In answer to the first post: Because people are free to vote for whomever they like and St Andrews seems to be somewhat inundated with Tory voters (the Uni itself doesn't seem in terribly short supply, at anyrate).

As for meself, I'm still leaning to Lib Dems. Call it a vision of the future: By the time we're all 'Grown Up' our experiences and knowledge might've matured enough to bowl over the more boring parties who've both been in power and been in opposition too long...

That said: it is just a throwaway statement at the moment. Plenty of time to figure out this politics shebang before May the 3rd (or whenever...)

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[i]"There is only ever one truth. Things are always black or white, there's no such thing as a shade of grey. If you think that something is a shade of grey it simply means that you don't fully understand the situation. The truth is narrow and the path of the pursuit of truth is similarly narrow."

[thePontificator]

The problem here is the basic misunderstanding: Being a Conservative does not mean that you're a bad person.

This statement also works if you change 'Conservative' for any other political party. Being a Conservative may mean, in my case anyway, that I disagree with you on many things but it doesn't mean you're a twat. Most conversations I have don't have much, if any, political overtones so I don't care if you're a Tory, a socialist or a nationalist.
Just so long as you're not a cunt.

[Mr Comedy]

Aah yes. I'm pleased to see that the standard of political debate in St Andrews hasn't risen above the "You vote Tory, therefore, you're a knob" standard I encountered whilst I was still studying here.
It's where world class minds are made, apparently...

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"I am in no way interested in immortality, but only in the taste of tea. " -Lu Tung

[exnihilo]

Quoting Griggsy from 18:09, 8th Apr 2007
Which is why a certain member of the IR department believes in a few years time St Andrews will become a private university.

I've said so for years, St Andrews could easily make such a move, and prosper from it. And be freed of the witless interference and social engineering of successive moronic governments.

Also, it is just tragic that there's so much of the 'Tory voters are wankers' mentality on here, but I'm sure everyone who thinks it will insist it's on the basis of their policies, rather than simple ignorance.

[Odysseus]

Thankfully this poll doesn't represent general Scottish opinion. Scots, in general, have little time for the Tories, for a number of reasons that have been explained in other threads. They are an irrelivence just like the Lib Dems, Greens and SSP. This election will be a battle between New Labour and the SNP. Hopefully, with the latter winning http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=542382007

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Walk into the bright lights of sorrow, oh drink a bit of wine and we both might go tommorow, my love...

[Fraser Archibald Wallace]

Thanks god people have the sense to vote SNP.

For change, for the better.

Unionists are filth. How dare they drag us into a war where our sons and brothers die in Iraq for oil we don't need. How dare they take our natural resources to fund such actions.

Conservatives suck.

Labour sucks

The Lib Dems are ok.

But it will be the SNP that will win this election.

[thePontificator]

Oh good, I see we're still at home to Mr Reasoned Argument.

[Icarus]

Quoting Fraser Archibald Wallace from 11:52, 9th Apr 2007
Thanks god people have the sense to vote SNP.

For change, for the better.

Unionists are filth. How dare they drag us into a war where our sons and brothers die in Iraq for oil we don't need. How dare they take our natural resources to fund such actions.

Conservatives suck.

Labour sucks

The Lib Dems are ok.

But it will be the SNP that will win this election.

And the award for the most hilarious post in living memory goes to...

Seriously, thank you. Your post was an inspiration. I've been wondering lately whether I'm too cynical as a person, whether my opinion of mankind is too pessimistic. Thanks to you however I see I simply haven't been cynical enough. If this is the standard of discourse one can expect at one of the top universities in the country, there really is just no hope.

I implore you, to restore some modicum of my faith in humanity, tell me that post was a joke and you merely forgot to type the punch line. Or move to Iran. Either would be fine.

[Odysseus]

Expressing an opinion that you don't agree with makes him ineligible for this university?

Should we all be expected to post our 'discourse' on this board in the manner of your preference?





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Walk into the bright lights of sorrow, oh drink a bit of wine and we both might go tommorow, my love...

[Icarus]

Quoting Odysseus from 15:32, 9th Apr 2007
Expressing an opinion that you don't agree with makes him ineligible for this university?

Should we all be expected to post our 'discourse' on this board in the manner of your preference?





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Walk into the bright lights of sorrow, oh drink a bit of wine and we both might go tommorow, my love...

Sorry, maybe I'm just impossibly idealistic to hope someone may provide a little evidence, a little substantive argument, a little, oh I don't know, basic rationality to the things they say. For the record, I don't have a problem if someone wants to vote SNP. It's a democracy. Vote for whomever you want. But how anyone can read

"Unionists are filth. How dare they drag us into a war where our sons and brothers die in Iraq for oil we don't need. How dare they take our natural resources to fund such actions"

without cringing at the sheer mind-boggling absurdity of it is beyond me.

His post would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[Senethro]

lool

[Eliot Wilson]

Quoting exnihilo from 10:47, 9th Apr 2007

Quoting Griggsy from 18:09, 8th Apr 2007
Which is why a certain member of the IR department believes in a few years time St Andrews will become a private university.

I've said so for years, St Andrews could easily make such a move, and prosper from it. And be freed of the witless interference and social engineering of successive moronic governments.

There is, of course, an argument that St Andrews is already a private institution, albeit one which accepts Government funding in return for conforming to Government rules. After all, HMG doesn't 'own' the University, so 'privatisation' actually wouldn't be privatisation in the normal sense. And maybe it will happen; or maybe one of our larger institutions will take the plunge first. Who knows? Not me. I have no political opinions, as anyone who knows me will attest.

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Bill and Ted beat the Grim Reaper at Twister

Bill: "You played very well, Death, especially with your totally heavy Death robes."

Death: "Don't patronise me."

[exnihilo]

Indeed. I am aware of the university's current status, which was perhaps not clear from my previous post. What, I suspect, would be the major issue in going wholly private would be the university's charitable status, but as its function would remain entirely unchanged, I can't see how that could be a problem, the only issue for the government would be what to blow another thirty odd million pounds on each year.

[Lid]

I was going to let this one drift off, but I couldn't resist.

Quoting Fraser Archibald Wallace from 11:52, 9th Apr 2007
How dare they drag us into a war where our sons and brothers die in Iraq for oil we don't need. How dare they take our natural resources to fund such actions.

Would that be those cousins and brothers that signed up, and chose to be in the British Army, the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force perhaps?

Conservatives suck.

Labour sucks

The Lib Dems are ok.

But it will be the SNP that will win this election.

Your reasoning is something else. You went from outlandish to boring quickly. Give me a call when you get to kitsch.

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