Necessary or just disgusting?

[Sid]

Why are you awake at this hour?

I'm doing my dissertation and it sucks! The dissertation and having to do it. How's you?

Quoting Grandpa from 04:14, 27th Apr 2006
megalomaniac, your name says it all

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We are gentlemen that neither in our hearts nor outward eyes envy the great nor shall the low despise.

[megalomaniac]

Quoting Grandpa from 04:14, 27th Apr 2006
megalomaniac, your name says it all

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We are gentlemen that neither in our hearts nor outward eyes envy the great nor shall the low despise.

explain?

[angel_kohaku]

Quoting maz from 23:24, 26th Apr 2006
Our society is incredibly sanitized .Extremely small children love to run around naked, its totally natural. People should stop being so squeamish and get over it.

I love to run around naked but if I, or anyone over the age of... let's say 4... started running round either the beach or the streets in the buff, people would be freaked out and the police would no doubt warn/arrest you for indecent exposure.

And yes, when I was a kid I did go on the beach naked/wearing just pants.

Also, in a society that is all "death to paedophiles!" why are adults still letting their children be naked in public? (I realise that sounded strangely worded, but let me explain) During the summer I work at a sailing club. As well as having to fill out YET ANOTHER disclosure form, there are all sorts of rules. You cannot be alone with a child/group of children at any one time. Even when we are doing theory and classroom stuff. YOu have to have someone else there. It's a "legal requirement". So if the powers that be are that fussed about clothed children...

I realise I will get totally attacked for this, but y'know, thought I'd add my tuppence worth

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[Rufus]

Quoting Sid from 01:13, 27th Apr 2006
I would not humiliate myself or my child by holding it up over a drain on a crowded street in broad daylight. There is such a thing as teaching a child pride and self-respect. This has nothing to do with repression.

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Most children (and most parents) would not be humiliated by that, most children are refreshingly free of constraints and they lack this crippling thing called shame, as it should be. If there was no other option (and some children do announce that they need the toilet a nano-second before it happens) there is nothing wrong with using the closest thing to hand, there is nothing, I repeat nothing, wrong with that.

As for nakedness in Scotland not being viable because it isn't the Bahamas- have I completely read you wrong and you're actually open-minded?! Is it the child's welfare you care about?! So, if you saw a child in it's birthday suit on a beach in the Bahamas that would be OK?

P.S. Let's be pernickety, it's more interesting than your staunchly small-minded posts.

Edit: atrocious spelling mistakes.

[Tweedle-Dum]

I saw a mother/child combo at the beach once, and the child needed the toilet so was told by it's mother to go in to the water so that he couldn't be seen.

He then proceeded to go to the shallowest depths, pull down it's trunks and proceed to take a shit on the crowded beach.

Comdey itself.

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[Happy-Go-Lucky]

I think people have become over-sensitised to such things. As somebody said earlier, almost everybody has been naked in public when they were a wee tot. Once when I was small and playing at a seaside park I ran to my mother exclaiming that there was a smaller toddler naked there, to which the responce was "So what? You did that when you were little". When I asked wouldn't people be offended, she said not at all, it is only a very small child, and everybody else has probably done the same at some point with their own children, and when they were little. I remember being naked on a beach various times when I was a tiny tot. Not running around, but just to swim in the sea, and so on. I remember being frightened to come out the water like that, but was assured that nobody would care. And it's true.

What about the naked baby bottoms on nappy and baby lotion adverts on t.v. Nobody cares about those. Why? because they are just tiny children. Apparently, in many other countries, they have similar adverts but show frontal nudity as well, complete with baby-sized bouncing genitals. the only reason we don't have the same thing here is because our society has become so paranoid about paedophilia.

My Mum can't understand or believe how sensitive people are these days to basic nudity. And no, she isn't a liberal-minded, hippy type, she is from an extremely conservative background. She went to many a private boarding school throughout her childhood, and that all the girls would openly undress in front of each other without a thought. They were restricted to something like one bath a week, so the girls got together in groups and would share baths, not one after the other, but at the same time. She remembers many a time when there's be around 4 naked girls in the bathroom: 2 girls in the bath, one on the toilet, and another just sat on the floor. They didn't think 2 moments about it being inappropriate, that was just what they did. She even recalls at times when she and her classmates were reaching puberty, helping each other put in tampax etc. Yes, shock, horror, but it really was no big deal for them. She couldn't believe it when I told her that when I just suggested to my school friends at a sleep-over party that we needn't hide under our duvets orlock ourselves in the toilet to get changed, they took it as a lesbian come-on.

My mum even has memories of when she was a tiny tot, and her family being on a long car journey. When nature called, the family stopped on the side of the road, she and her siblings whipped off their lower garments, and their father held them up in the air over the grassy verge pointed in an appropriate direction. Startlingly cold and windy was how my mother described it.

When I was little and my family went to the beach, my parent's brought along an inflatable potty for times of need. After using it once, my Mum was approached by several Mums of young children who asked where she got it, cause it was marvelous, and that they had to get their kids to do it in a bottle, or just send them into the sea.

Speak to any older person, and I'd bet that if you told them you saw a tot on the beach with no clothes on, they wouldn't bat an eyelid, and would be able to tell you many a similar anecdote to the ones I've mentioned, of public nakedness of children being completely ignored and normal. I think this shock-horror, Oh-My-Eyes! responce is pretty juvenile and immature.

[Insight]

The main reason we don't walk around naked is because we all have a sense of shame/embarrassment attached to our genitalia as adults, though we dress it up as "modesty".

20 years ago, before the nation's obsession with paedophilia kicked off, people recognised that children, with non-developed sexual organs, were therefore non-sexual beings, so there was no need to cover them up. If we go to the beach, the usual intention is for maximum skin exposure to death-I mean, sun rays for a nice tan. Would you cover up a random non-sexual part of your body on the beach, like an ankle, or your elbow?

It's a shame that public paranoia over paedophilia has ironically led to us sexualising children even more in this way. I hardly think that 20 years ago, when more infants were naked on beaches, the nooks and crannies of the coast were full of masturbating paedos....

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[Sid]

You're such a twat.

If I saw a kid running about on a beach in the Bahamas naked I would have a problem with that also, sun protection and all that.

I disagree with you. There is something wrong with holding your child up over a drain so it can urinate, it's disgusting and also unhygenic.

And another thing, if it's such a frequent thing then why don't we see this everyday? We don't. Parents should keep a nappy on their kids in public until it has learned when and not it needs to go for a slash.

I'm done with this thread. I can't believe I'm arguing with a rude shit-head called Rufus about kids pissing in public! I must be mad!

Quoting Rufus from 13:14, 27th Apr 2006

Quoting Sid from 01:13, 27th Apr 2006
I would not humiliate myself or my child by holding it up over a drain on a crowded street in broad daylight. There is such a thing as teaching a child pride and self-respect. This has nothing to do with repression.

Most children (and most parents) would not be humiliated by that, most children are refreshingly free of constraints and they lack this crippling thing called shame, as it should be. If there was no other option (and some children do announce that they need the toilet a nano-second before it happens) there is nothing wrong with using the closest thing to hand, there is nothing, I repeat nothing, wrong with that.

As for nakedness in Scotland not being viable because it isn't the Bahamas- have I completely read you wrong and you're actually open-minded?! Is it the child's welfare you care about?! So, if you saw a child in it's birthday suit on a beach in the Bahamas that would be OK?

P.S. Let's be pernickety, it's more interesting than your staunchly small-minded posts.

Edit: atrocious spelling mistakes.

[Rufus]

Merveilleux.

1. I don't doubt that I'm a twat, recognition is key.

2. I never said it was a frequent occurence- one would presume that it happens in an emergency pant-wetting situation. As for it being 'disgusting and unhygienic', hardly. It was performed over a drain, not in your pocket. Grow up.

3. Your sun protection point, well, it wasn't a point. I would take it as wrote that the child was adequately slathered in sun cream.

4. For the record, I can't believe I'm arguing with you either. The reason for it is that I find your immense stupidity irritating, like a fly I'd like to swat.

5. If I'm a 'rude shit-head' (and I concede that I am), just what does that make you?

A bientot.

[Happy-Go-Lucky]

Hee hee. Rufus hath smote the evil witch!

[flarewearer]

Quoting Sid from 00:40, 27th Apr 2006

Plus, the only thing this kid was being taught was sheer insanity. Who the hell gets their kegs off on a beach in the north of Scotland?

I can assure you I spent many a happy day as a toddler running around various Scottish beaches butt nekkid.

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[orudge]

Quoting Sid from 02:49, 27th Apr 2006
If it's so normal Seth then why don't we all go about naked? Never mind the kids! As I said before this isn't the Bahamas, this is Scotland. You go about naked for a day up here Seth and see if you have any balls left, you'll freeze them off.

You'd be surprised. Scotland in the summer can actually be really rather nice, and lovely and warm. (Of course, it can be the complete opposite the next day too.) I remember many a nice summer day in Orkney in my youth, with the beach just behind the house, enjoying myself, often without too many clothes on. I can't say it was something I thought about, we were so young the fact that we were naked just wasn't an issue.

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[Happy-Go-Lucky]

Indeed, my youth of seaside nudity was spent on the beaches of Aberdeen. Back in the day when Scotland had summers: Summer seems to have been avoiding Scotland the last few years.

[sweet]

A fully grown adult naked on a beach would certainly put me off my ice-cream. But a kid - eh? They aren't hairy, they aren't sexual, they aren't offensive in any way. You'll be covering up table legs at this rate (oh! legs! my giddy aunt etc...)

[Sid]

Rufus you'd only like to swat me as a fly but I would love to beat the crap out of you.

I'm from Scotland and I spent many days on the beach, in Fife as it happens. We weren't a rich family, but my family were able to afford a bathing suit for me, I remember it acutally, it was pink with frills on. I also remember when it was time to get changed back into my clothes and I always requested that a towel was held up even to the point that it annoyed my parents. That's just the way I am and always have been. I remember when I was about two running naked round my house, and I remember not liking it and thinking why won't my mother put me in a nightdress (it was nightime). You can refute that all you want, but it happened. I have a very clear memory of my early childhood.

And when it comes to throwing insults, I only throw them if they are deserved. You called me small-minded which is much more of a personal attack than me calling you a shit-head, if anyone should grow up it's you.

You think it's ok for parents allow their kids to piss on the side of the street - I don't.

You think it's ok for kids to run about naked on a beach in Scotland, Bahamas, sun-block or no sunblock - I don't.

I understand why you think it's ok (running around naked that is) but I just don't understand why you can't accept that I disagree with you and be done with it.

P.S. I think you are all very offensive towards me and I think it is uncalled for. At the end of the day I am a human being like you also. You lot should mind your manners.

[Senethro]

Don't dive into a thread guns blazing and spitting vitriol then expect to be well received!

You should probably breathe a bit or relax before posting. It might stop you offending people.

To that end, have you considered this special range of relaxation aids that I think would be well suited to you?
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[flarewearer]

Quoting Sid from 17:23, 27th Apr 2006
P.S. I think you are all very offensive towards me and I think it is uncalled for. At the end of the day I am a human being like you also.

Do you shower in your bathing suit?

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[Gubbins]

Quoting Sid from 15:00, 27th Apr 2006
You're such a twat.
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Ok, time to soil my hands with another Sinner argument... no pun intended.

What specifically is anyone's problem with naked childen? Regardless of reiterating who does and doesn't have a problem with it, why does it pose a major issue? Seeing a child urinate over a drain is less consequential to what half of us put up with at public urinals, or many street corners on a Friday night.

As for it being disgusting and unhygenic, consider what else might have pissed there: dogs, cats, other animals. Go out of the concreted metropolis of St Andrews and see some real dirt and you'll find that your average bit of earth has been through some animal in the last five years. Water in London has already passed through an average of three people's houses and quite possibly several creature's bodies already, yet they even drink the stuff!

In this particular instance, it would have been nice if they were able to get the child to a public toilet, but I seem to remember they closed the ones near Logie's Lane, thus the nearest ones are at either West or East Sands. Not somewhere you're likely to get the child to in time, toilet trained or otherwise. At least the mother had the decency to find a drain rather than a wall.

As for being a child on a beach, personally I didn't see the sea until I was 6, and then we were probably the only people within ten miles. However, there's a lot of folk out there that didn't let puberty stop us. Hands up anyone who's ever gone skinny-dipping. Most (not all) people in society these days wouldn't care that much if they saw anyone naked, as long as it wasn't sexually motivated. Children, especially, very few people care about. Many people forget that we live in a very sheltered society - most "primitive" tribes in warmer climes wear little if any clothes, and if they do they tend to be either protective or ceremonial. Even where my folks live in Portugal, people don't have running water, so still wash naked in the river there, in direct view of half the village. It's not that uncommon.

Sid, and others, if you have personal hangups about being seen naked, that's your perogative; but if it's a case of a momentary embarrassment on behalf of a small minority of the population (I trust you aren't mortally offended by the sight of naked children on the beach) weighed against the natural development of a child's self-esteem, modesty and global psychology, the child wins hands down.

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...but then again, that is only my opinion.

[Rufus]

Quoting Sid from 17:23, 27th Apr 2006
Rufus you'd only like to swat me as a fly but I would love to beat the crap out of you.

Continues for too many paragraphs with yet more hypocritical bilge.

I thought you were 'done with the thread'?

Insults, as a rule, are only offensive if you recognise some truth in them.

[DrAlex]

Quoting Sid from 17:23, 27th Apr 2006
P.S. I think you are all very offensive towards me and I think it is uncalled for. At the end of the day I am a human being like you also. You lot should mind your manners.

Now I'm not going to pretend that I've read this entire thread-in fact, I quit after I posted that picture. But surely it is a complete non-sequitir to call for people to mind their manners when you've just called someone you've never met a twat.

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