Is The Sinner just an ex-pat community?

[Admin]

Could be done, but would make the site somewhat dark (flyers).

The posters are a lot brighter, so maybe that would be an option.
However, I'm not doing anything more with the current site, as the new site is in development, and should be ready soon - we're just waiting for the user-account transfer system to be perfected.

[LonelyPilgrim]

I'm of the '01 intake, though I did not migrate my way into the Sinner community until late '04.

The one thing I've always most liked about the Sinner are the many and varied personalities and viewpoints that abound on a seemingly endless variety of serious, mundane, and/or silly topics.

The one thing I've always most disliked about the Sinner is the tendency toward argument for argument's sake and the continual presence of individuals who participate in arguments not to arrive at some truth or even to share a viewpoint, but rather to beat their chests and proclaim "look at me, me so smart!"

As for whether this is an ex-pat community... it seems that a lot of people from my time at St Andrews are still very active on here - including, to a lesser extent, myself. This lends itself to a lot of inside jokes, information, and meanings that have the effect of making this place somewhat confusing, intimidating, and insular to newcomers I would imagine.

I haven't any solutions, other than to say 'bugger off you old farts', but I don't want to say that, since it would be self-referential, after all.

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Arma virumque cano...

[Anonymous/b]

Quoting LonelyPilgrim from 23:45, 11th Oct 2007
The one thing I've always most disliked about the Sinner is the tendency toward argument for argument's sake...

but arguing is fun - why else would the internet exist?

i love the colours on the posters but there's no point to them (in the content that is) - they come across as totally random (fair enough ) and really pretencious

[eliz]

I'm a prospective student - an admissions officer told me about the Sinner!

[Guest]

Quoting LonelyPilgrim from 23:45, 11th Oct 2007

...The one thing I've always most disliked about the Sinner is the tendency toward argument for argument's sake...

[sweet]

Quoting Anonymous/b from 01:52, 12th Oct 2007

Quoting LonelyPilgrim from 23:45, 11th Oct 2007
The one thing I've always most disliked about the Sinner is the tendency toward argument for argument's sake...

but arguing is fun - why else would the internet exist?

i love the colours on the posters but there's no point to them (in the content that is) - they come across as totally random (fair enough ) and really pretencious

"Pretencious"? Eh? Care to explain? Words too long or something?

[Admin]

But you read the posters, right? You wondered what they were about, and you know that they're for The Sinner...

[orudge]

I haven't yet seen any of these mysterious posters. Are they only being displayed in halls, or are there any splashed about elsewhere?

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http://www.owenrudge.net/
http://standrews.facebook.com/profile.php?id=37103734

[David Bean]

Quoting LonelyPilgrim from 23:45, 11th Oct 2007
As for whether this is an ex-pat community... it seems that a lot of people from my time at St Andrews are still very active on here - including, to a lesser extent, myself. This lends itself to a lot of inside jokes, information, and meanings that have the effect of making this place somewhat confusing, intimidating, and insular to newcomers I would imagine.

I haven't any solutions, other than to say 'bugger off you old farts', but I don't want to say that, since it would be self-referential, after all.

Yet surely an attempt to cover any subject relevant to the town in meaningful detail must by nature presuppose a certain amount of common knowledge, and in a community like that os St Andrews inside jokes have quite a positive effect in binding people together more closely. I don't think it's legitimate for a new user to complain about this, or feel excluded, especially since I can't remember a single instance of rudeness towards anyone who asked for some background information to help them understand a subject: such queries are generally handled with positive enthusiasm, by those keen to ensure that the lore of this community should live on.

I think the experience of those who have gone before should be valued; uncalled-for rudeness is wrong whatever its source, and welcome though new blood certainly is, new users are certainly no less likely than experienced ones to exhibit poor behaviour.

To those who have posted, I say welcome, and I'm sure we all hope you'll gain from the experience of using this site (though you may lose a bit of time in doing so!).

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Psalm 91:7

[Anonymous/b]

Quoting sweet from 16:37, 12th Oct 2007

Quoting Anonymous/b from 01:52, 12th Oct 2007

Quoting LonelyPilgrim from 23:45, 11th Oct 2007
The one thing I've always most disliked about the Sinner is the tendency toward argument for argument's sake...

but arguing is fun - why else would the internet exist?

i love the colours on the posters but there's no point to them (in the content that is) - they come across as totally random (fair enough ) and really pretencious

"Pretencious"? Eh? Care to explain? Words too long or something?

Oh - believe me it's gr8 that the old farts r in here - i love that fact already - at least u guys aren't scared of getting ur teeth stuck into something!

The posters, to me anyway, seemed to have nothing to really do with anything. The one one the door of our hall is about frosties breakfast cereal - something about how the tiger is the most trusted of all the big cats and by combining this with a tasty treat you have a recipe for success (without going all teh way downstairs to look at it) - then at the bottom there's a wee bit of text that says somethign along the lines of 'the sinner isn't about breakfast ceral or tiger though'. big long bits of text are never good on posters - and i think that the first lesson the yteach you in marketing 101 is that big long strings of irrelevant text are a nono for def.

[iab2]

Quoting Anonymous/b from 20:59, 12th Oct 2007
gr8

Right, before someone turns up and reads what you have written, you should realise that the use of only a limited range of keys on the keyboard is frowned upon by many king-sinners if the omitted keys are seen to be functional in subsequent words. You should be aware that if you persist in using textlish they will not be able to overcome their innate desire to educate you on the correct manner in which they should be addressed.

Also, it looks retarded. This is a forum, not a chatroom, so you have time to compose your response and give it some much needed polish.

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http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/104233.html

[Cain]

iab2 pretty much said what I was thinking, but as anonymous2 has pointed out, big long strings of text can be difficult to read, so I ask the question.




That's a bit harsh, since this is not as serious as other people that I have seen online. I'm in a teaching forum where there is woman who doesn't know how to use punctuation....doesnt understand what a clause is sweeties....uses four dots to separate her points....doesn't make much sense at all sweeties xx

I've seen people who are so bad at typing that it's usually difficult to work out what they actually mean; their inarticulateness gets in the way of what they're trying to say.

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I hold an element of surprise

[Frank]

Quoting cain from 22:17, 12th Oct 2007
iab2 pretty much said what I was thinking, but as anonymous2 has pointed out, big long strings of text can be difficult to read, so I ask the question.




That's a bit harsh, since this is not as serious as other people that I have seen online. I'm in a teaching forum where there is woman who doesn't know how to use punctuation....doesnt understand what a clause is sweeties....uses four dots to separate her points....doesn't make much sense at all sweeties xx

I've seen people who are so bad at typing that it's usually difficult to work out what they actually mean; their inarticulateness gets in the way of what they're trying to say.

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I hold an element of surprise

Indeed. I know plenty of intelligent (sp?) people who make use of horrid 'email, text or message board' abbreviations...it's not a mark of idiocy. The problem comes with making yourself understood. Sure 'most likely' it is every text will be understood, bu the chance that one won't be understood is immense compared to writing and spelling properly.

It's not a major bugbear of mine (my god, eat loudly without eating a food that needs eating loudly and I'll be lucky if I'm not arrested for the violence ensuing), but it really does always help to write in full or very near full english than 2 abrvt ery 1 word.

I don't know how to speak text, so that last bit might be gibberish.

Anyhow: the point stands. Proper english (or whatever language, it's a multicultural lesson) is always appreciated.

{SPOKE PROPA ENGLnAD!}

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"There is only ever one truth. Things are always black or white, there's no such thing as a shade of grey. If you think that something is a shade of grey it simply means that you don't fully understand the situation. The truth is narrow and the path of the pursuit of truth is similarly narrow."

[eagle]

Damn it Bean, I agree with you again.

Anonymous/b - I've not seen the poster, but it seems like you've remembered a great deal of it, so regardless whether long text is a good idea or not, it's obviously worked for you! (Does St Andrews actually teach Marketing 1001, or is that an injoke that I don't get?)

iab2 - does it really matter? If none of the "king sinners" have replied with criticism, doesn't that make you one of the people you write about? And does it really matter?

Cain - I think your picture post was unnecessary - anonymous/b used "gr8". Big deal. Your teaching friend doesn't post on The Sinner, and no one else has used four dots to separate their points, so I don't understand what the problem is.

I think Frank raises a very good point - proper English is always appreciated, but if people can convey their thoughts and opinions without causing confusion, then please don't pick them up for it.


PS - Inarticulateness - hee hee!

[iab2]

I would certainly agree with you that the second paragraph in my post makes me one of those educators, and worse, one of those more pedantic sinners that I warned of on the first page of this thread. It seems I have laced this thread with irony

Of course it does not matter how people spell, but it does make things easier to read if they can write properly.

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http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/104233.html

[eagle]

Oh! that hidden irony strikes again. I'm always falling for that.

I call for an IRONY tag. And while we're at it, a sarcasm tag too!

[munchingfoo]

Quoting eagle from 09:36, 13th Oct 2007
Oh! that hidden irony strikes again. I'm always falling for that.

I call for an IRONY tag. And while we're at it, a sarcasm tag too!

Many people do already include /sarcasm at the end of a particularly inflamatory post.

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Tired Freudian references aside - your mother played my mighty skin flute like a surf crowned sea nymph trying to rouse Poseidon from his watery slumber!

[exnihilo]

Quoting eagle from 00:51, 13th Oct 2007
PS - Inarticulateness - hee hee!

What's wrong with inarticulateness? It's a perfectly valid English word.

[eagle]

It simply made me laugh. Not out loud though.