Raging

[Odysseus]

http://www.esthercoma.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cheat.wmv

A penalty that cost my team a draw against Rangers.

Note the lack of a claim from the Rangers support, note the lack of contact from Miller. He even has his arms by his side!

Scottish football is so unbelievably corrupt it's beyond a joke.



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[Humphrey]

Another howler from Hugh Dallas, can't say i'm suprised

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[Zombie Sheep]

And the behaviour of the Heart's players was impeccable, well done on keeping a cool head.

[Odysseus]

[s]Zombie Sheep wrote on 11:37, 3rd Mar 2005:
And the behaviour of the Heart's players was impeccable, well done on keeping a cool head.


I'd rather my players were hot headed than CHEATS.

Webster was denied a stonewaller earlier on in the game as well.

They say that things even out over the season, though we were denied earlier at Ibrox when the referee bottled it when it came to sending off Jean-Alain Boumsong for his foul on De Vries which was a clear case of denying a goalscoring opportunity.

Still, we outplayed, outfought and outclassed Rangers, it took refereeing bullshit to win them the match.

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[penfold]

Was actually the linesman that said it was a penalty. Although yet agian it hilightst the biased nature of scotlands football oficials. If hearts hadn't equalised would it have been a penalty? No chance

[daduffster]

Being a Jambo myself, it is again disappointing to see this kind of officiating. It's not even for the first time this season against Rangers. I agree that when Hearts lost 3-2 at Ibrox, Boumsong should have been sent off as preventing a goalscoring opportunity (It was inside the six yard box nearly!). And yet again, a last minute penalty. I haven't seen the highlights yet so i'm not too sure, but apparently Hearts had a pretty strong penalty claim turned down in the first half.

It's sad, more than anything. I don't think many Rangers players or fans were shouting for a penalty, so it's not like there was even much pressure for a decision, McLeish even described it as soft (which in McLeish language means "If it was against Rangers, i'd be raging!")

I don't agree with whatever Mikolainus did or did not do, but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a ban that'll put him out the semi-final against Celtic. Sod's Law really (well, SFA law).

On the bright side, the Hibees got gubbed 3-0 by ICT!

[Fionnlagh]

You're not honestly expecting fair refereeing decisions against the old firm are you? Not sure you can blame dallas tho', it appears it was the linesman's call

[amac]

It wasn't a penalty but I think you're overestimating the ability of Scottish referees. I can think of plenty of examples where Rangers have been denied decent claims for penalties etc...

The referees are all fairly shit - but equally shit across the board!

[daduffster]

[s]Fionnlagh wrote on 12:48, 3rd Mar 2005:
You're not honestly expecting fair refereeing decisions against the old firm are you? Not sure you can blame dallas tho', it appears it was the linesman's call


Agreed, as much as I'm not big fan of Dallas, he was just going on his linesman's judgement. What is odd though is that, form my knowledge of football rules, a linesman must put the flag across his chest with the flag pointing downward to indicate a penalty OR if he wants to get the referees attention hold his flag static in the air. He appears to do neither, just stand in the corner.

There are many unanswered questions when any other SPL team plays either half of the Old Firm, just would be nice to see a bit of equality in the Scottish game. I don't see it coming too soon though.

It should have been a draw, and all in all, it would have been a good point for BOTH teams.

[The Famous Philosopher]

[s]amac wrote on 12:53, 3rd Mar 2005:
It wasn't a penalty but I think you're overestimating the ability of Scottish referees. I can think of plenty of examples where Rangers have been denied decent claims for penalties etc...


Maybe so, but the amount of dodgy decisions they get in there favour is ridiculous. Too many OF fans seem to think everyone is out to get them as soon as an decision goes against them.

As for Dallas, he is murder, one of the worst referees that I have seen this season, although McCurry and Ian Brines are even worse. Willie Young and Kenny Clark are the only decent refs I've seen this season.

[Mr_Big_Dave]

I am a big Rangers fan and I'd be the first person to admit that it wasn't a penalty! Infact it was an outrageously bad decision.
However we've had these things go against us in the past... and in the end it all evens out.

[amac]

[s]The Famous Philosopher wrote on 17:20, 3rd Mar 2005:
[s]amac wrote on 12:53, 3rd Mar 2005:[i]
It wasn't a penalty but I think you're overestimating the ability of Scottish referees. I can think of plenty of examples where Rangers have been denied decent claims for penalties etc...


Maybe so, but the amount of dodgy decisions they get in there favour is ridiculous. Too many OF fans seem to think everyone is out to get them as soon as an decision goes against them.
[/i]

I can't deny that, but you only need to look at this thread to see that it isn't one way traffic. When something like this happens every non-OF fan comes out and claims it's bias. Neither side has a particularly good case.

[The Famous Philosopher]

Maybe so, but the number of convtreversial decisions that go against big teams seems to be far too low to be fair, and I'm not just taking about in Scotland. Remember Roy Carrols howler against Spurs? Had that been at the other end do you think it would have counted? Something like that happened against Real Madrid in a league game aswell, guess what, that never counted either.

I remember seeing somewhere that no one has scored a league penalty at Old Trafford against Man Utd since 1993. Coincidence? I think not.

[papercutheart]

When they say things even themselves out the end...they talk the truth...what about the dodgy Pressley penalty, and late disallowed goal for you lot to get a 1-0 win against Aberdeen an Tynecastle.

What about when McNaughton got sent off for deliberate handball and you's got a penalty at Pittodrie, when all the Aberdeen players and all the Hearts players said that it wasn't a sending off?

You, i might add, need to get your specs on...the Scottish referees are shocking, but as much as people like to think it they are not In Firm biased...

Cept that prick McCurry!

[daduffster]

[s]papercutheart wrote on 18:36, 3rd Mar 2005:
When they say things even themselves out the end...they talk the truth...what about the dodgy Pressley penalty, and late disallowed goal for you lot to get a 1-0 win against Aberdeen an Tynecastle.

What about when McNaughton got sent off for deliberate handball and you's got a penalty at Pittodrie, when all the Aberdeen players and all the Hearts players said that it wasn't a sending off?

You, i might add, need to get your specs on...the Scottish referees are shocking, but as much as people like to think it they are not In Firm biased...

Cept that prick McCurry!


I agree that Pressley's penalty was a bit dodgy, but it was a clumsy challenge (I think it may have been from Whelan) coming in from the side and sometimes you get away with it, other times you do not. On the other hand, the disallowed goal was clearly the correct decision. The chip hit the post and had that gone in then the goal would have stood. However, when the shot was played the attacker(s, i can't remember if there was more than one) were in offside positions, therefore the goal was correctly disallowed.

As for McNaughton's hand ball, I again agree it was a harsh sending off. BUT when a player is adjuged to handle the ball on the line and prevent a goal, then there is only one conceivable outcome and that is a red card. It is harsh to send someone off but the reality is that he had to go, the ref had no option, otherwise he would not have been following the rulebook.

Also, I can't help but agree, McCurry is a prick. Although, I would like to point out my soft spot for Willie Young after awarding Hearts a penalty after 30 seconds of the 98 Scottish Cup Final against Rangers which looked to be outside the box (good on ya, big man!)

Decisions probably do even themselves out over the season, especially if you're a non-Old Firm team in the SPL. However, it shouldn't stop us having a right good moan about them when they do occur!

[amac]

Just when you thought this was yesterdays news Hearts take it one step further: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 319987.stm

To me this seems like a headline grabbing waste of time. Having a league match replayed because of one refereeing decision?! Admittedly it was a particularly bad decision, but it would set an impossible precedent.

[julio]

[s]amac wrote on 12:53, 3rd Mar 2005:
It wasn't a penalty but I think you're overestimating the ability of Scottish referees. I can think of plenty of examples where Rangers have been denied decent claims for penalties etc...

The referees are all fairly shit - but equally shit across the board!


sorry this is complete tosh. The old firm always get the rub of the green. That is both Rangers and Celtic - in Celtics case i remember their 2-1 win against Killie this season where both goals were a gift from the officials. One from an Aiden McGeady freekick that was given for nothing and the other a very soft penalty. During the nine-in-a-row decisions would always go in favour of Rangers - but now Celtic also seem to get them all aswell - especially since O'neil took over. Perhaps its the initimdation felt by the Ref when faced with a Celtic team full of some many "robust" players. I recall another ridiculous match where hearts had four players sent off at Ibrox a while back. One of Neil Pointins two yellows came for kicking the post! (which Jorge Cadete did the following week- but of course was not penalised) and David Weir was sent off for putting his head against Gordon Duries after Durie had elbowed him in the eye (of course Durie wasn't even booked). Around that time there was also a match involving Rangers and Aberdeen at Ibrox where the Ref failed to send off three Rangers players for shocking behaviour. Gasgoine elbowed an Aberdeen player (in the face) who had the cheek to track his run and then also head butted another player in the chest. This wasn't enough for the baying blue nosed hordes and so Alan McLaren and another Rangers player (whoose name escapes me) proceeded to beat up Billy Dodds (pulling his hair amongst other things) whilst he lay on the ground after having been fouled. Mr Robotham was thankfully punished for his incompetence/ bias after the match. This phenomena is also present in other leagues. I recall Di Canios autobiography referring to what it might take for a ref to award the away team a penalty at old trafford - it went along the lines of Jaap Staam machine gunning the opposition forward. Whilst Di Canio has a tendancy to be a bit extreme he has based this on hard evidence as i recall a stat that surfaced at some point this season - the last 11 penalties at Old Trafford have/ had (i don't know if this still holds)gone to Man Utd. This recent Heart Vs Rangers decision is unfortunately merely one in a long line of decisions in favour of the beautiful game's giants.

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