Benedict XIII

[Guest]

Having seen the advert for a talk on Opus Dei in the catholic centre, I visited their website, which mentions that the catholic church founded this university.

I'm confused though; wasn't Benedict XIII an 'Anti-pope' and so his actions are hardly those of the official church?

[Al]

He was the legitimate Pope as far as Scotland was concerned though. Well, at least at the time he granted the Papal bulls he was. Besides, Pope Martin (the first Pope after the split) confirmed the foundation of the university..

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[Andrew Cusack]

[s]Unregisted User wrote on 15:26, 21st Mar 2005:
Having seen the advert for a talk on Opus Dei in the catholic centre, I visited their website, which mentions that the catholic church founded this university.

I'm confused though; wasn't Benedict XIII an 'Anti-pope' and so his actions are hardly those of the official church?


Antipope Pedro de Luna (aka Benedict XIII) provided the bulls which granted university status to the institution at St Andrews, thus he did not really 'found' it himself. But the de facto founders were all Catholic clerics, ie: Laurence of Lindores and Bishop Wardlaw, Later on Bishop Kennedy founded St. Salvator's, and Archbishop Beaton founded St. Mary's I believe. The University remained a Catholic institution until the Reformation, a catastrophic event iniating a long decline from which the University only fully recovered from under Principal Irvine in the early 20th Century.

[The Badger Machine]

Aaah the good old bigoted catholic nonsense, how i've missed you these past few months.

[Cathsoc_Treasurer]

[s]The Badger Machine wrote on 16:40, 22nd Mar 2005:
Aaah the good old bigoted catholic nonsense, how i've missed you these past few months.


I do not see how any of the above comments are either bigoted, nonsense or particularly religious in a Catholic sense. They are merely discussing the history of this University, which you presumably are a part of.

You comment shows clearly what is on your mind, whenever you hear anything vagely connected to the Roman Catholic Church.

I suggest you enlighten yourself a little before making spurious comments.

[The Badger Machine]

I was just being silly, as i thought was rather obvious from my tone. But never mind is always fun to see how quick some people go on the defensive.

My views are rather enlightened and i happen to think that Calvinism was the greatest thing to happen to this university.

[exnihilo]

Of course, the comment is historically illiterate. The Reformation did not trigger the decline of the University. Certainly it was very much in decline in the 18th and 19th centuries, and there were fears that it might close altogether, but I would suggest this had more to do with the growing appeal of the universities Edinburgh and Glasgow and little, or nothing, to do with the Reformation. After all, why would the place where the Reformation all but began be the one to suffer from its progress?

[Cathsoc_Treasurer]

The Papal Bull should be more available for students to visit it - a historical treasure of the University that all students should be able to see.

Oh well just have to think up an vagely believable reason, that'll convince them.

[queen of scots]

I have a picture of the papal bull lurking on my computer if anyone's interested. Left over from some work I did for the uni a couple of years ago.

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http://www.gashe.ac.uk/gallery/usta/bull.html

or just go to the library

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[Guest]

[s]Andrew Cusack wrote on 14:25, 22nd Mar 2005:

Antipope Pedro de Luna (aka Benedict XIII) provided the bulls which granted university status to the institution at St Andrews, thus he did not really 'found' it himself. But the de facto founders were all Catholic clerics, ie: Laurence of Lindores and Bishop Wardlaw, Later on Bishop Kennedy founded St. Salvator's, and Archbishop Beaton founded St. Mary's I believe.


But as scotland was supporting Benedict, surely those clerics were guilty of heresy (or whatever the technical term for a cleric supporting a 'false' pope)

[Guest]

[s]cathsoc_treasurer wrote on 20:25, 22nd Mar 2005:
The Papal Bull should be more available for students to visit it - a historical treasure of the University that all students should be able to see.

Oh well just have to think up an vagely believable reason, that'll convince them.


I've heard it said that it's possible just to stroll over to special collections in the library and see it.