Liberal Democrats; The party of lies and double truths

[flarewearer]

From the Lib Dem Manifesto;

"No tuition fees, no top-up fees, fair grants – university affordable for every student. Labour broke their promise on tuition fees. The result: tens of thousands of able students are saddled with mortgage-sized debts or deterred altogether from going to university. Funded from part of our new 50 per cent rate on incomes over £100,000, Liberal Democrats will abolish all tuition fees and make grants available to help poorer students with maintenance costs. That will build on the achievements of Liberal Democrats in government in Scotland. No one will be denied the opportunity of a university education because of the fear of debt, while universities will receive the increased funds they need."

EXCUSE ME???? THEY HAVE NOT ABOLISHED TUITION FEES IN SCOTLAND. CHANGING THE NAME AND WHEN YOU PAY THEM IS NOT ABOLITION!

Think hard before you even consider voting Liberal Democrat, this is awful doublethink duplicity.

LIBERAL DEMOCRATS = DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD
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[Zombie Sheep]

As you know, I am not a fan of the LibDems, but they did manage to get the amount we pay reduced from £4000 gto £2000, which is great, but correctly enough we stll have tuition fees. If they said that, I wouldn't be annoyed, but they claim to have abolished them, which is blatantly not the case.

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[The Badger Machine]

It doesn't actually say that they got rid of tuition fees in scotland. It says that they have made achievements in Scotland which is what they have done.

And the fact that they are promisng to increase taxes for the rich can only be a good thing.

[flarewearer]

Quoting The Badger Machine from 19:55, 14th Apr 2005
And the fact that they are promisng to increase taxes for the rich can only be a good thing.

Politicians promise a lot of things, and we all know that they aren't worth the manifestos they are written on

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[Marco Biagi]

Quoting Zombie Sheep from 14:46, 14th Apr 2005
As you know, I am not a fan of the LibDems, but they did manage to get the amount we pay reduced from £4000 gto £2000[hr]

That £4,000 was means-tested. The £2,000 isn't. Okay, so the £2,000 isn't paid until after graduation and when the student is earning an amazing £15,000 per year, but yet more debt disincentive is just what the doctor ordered. Personally, I'd respect them if they mentioned that they had had the maintenance grant ('Young Students Bursary') reintroduced - that was the best concession they wrung out of Labour, and it was a far greater amount than that suggested by the only party proposing such. However, they persist with the outright lie that they've abolished tuition fees in Scotland.

Lib Dems press release of manifesto launch, dated today (first one I looked at):
Sarah Teather, winner of the Brent East by-election, added:

"Young people in Britain are looking for long-term solutions to the country's problems. Labour broke its manifesto promise to students about top-up fees - that will not be forgiven. The Liberal Democrats were also instrumental in scrapping tuition fees in Scotland - proving we mean what we say."
http://www.libdems.org.uk/news/story.ht ... =news.html

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No more elections. Except tragically watching this General Election.
And hello Mum.

[Mr Comedy]

I would suggest that the other lie that they perpetuate is "The real alternative". On what planet?!

[Sid]

Why do the lib-dems even bother? They've never been in government, they're never going to be in government (hopefully), all they do is provide the ass licking when one party needs a majority.
Bunch of donkeys.

Oh, and don't you think it's quite coincidental that Mrs Kennedy squeezed one out just in time for the election? Mr Kennedy is now trying to pull in the family man vote, pathetic! Just what Mr Blair did with baby Leo at the last election, Cherie (perish the thought) sqeezed out baby Leo a year prior to the 2001 election, which gave Mr Blair the Fatherly image and in turn gave him a extra couple of votes. What's worse? The thought of he and the "gorgeous" Cherie or Kennedy actually picking up an extra couple of votes because he thought he'd use fatherhood as a vice in his pathetic campaign?

[David Bean]

Sarah Teather is the bint to end all bints. I'd love to see the Question Time she was on; I heard she was absolutely mauled.

[killjoy]

Quoting Sid from 03:00, 15th Apr 2005
Why do the lib-dems even bother? They've never been in government, they're never going to be in government (hopefully), all they do is provide the ass licking when one party needs a majority.
Bunch of donkeys.

maybe they bother because the other options are not working. If you have been happy with the way the country has been run over the last 10 years, then you know who to vote for. But others disagree, twat

[Guest]

"i know, lets punish the people who work really hard to earn a good wage and give the money to people who do fuck all....."

stupid!!!!!!!

[Sid]

Quoting killjoy from 09:04, 15th Apr 2005

Quoting Sid from 03:00, 15th Apr 2005

maybe they bother because the other options are not working. If you have been happy with the way the country has been run over the last 10 years, then you know who to vote for. But others disagree, twat

That's fair enough, express your opinion, which is what I did since I am fully entitled to like everyone else on this board, however, don't call someone a twat it's rather distasteful and unnecessary. Oh and when I called the lib-dems a bunch of donkeys, bare in mind it wasn't aimed at a specific person.

[Elvis]

I don't think the Lib Dems are a party of lies and double truths any more than Labour or the Conservatives are. New Labour puts money before people whilst you only need look to the last Tory administration as a paragon of lies and double truths.

There's little reason to think that the Lib Dems will be much different but for the fact that we won't get to find out!

[killjoy]

sid,
i dont think that insults are ok just because they are not aimed at specific people, but i get your point

but remember that donkeys are feel to vote as they wish aswell, and its not fair to claim they all belong to the same party

[Zombie Sheep]

I beg to differ, killjoy. Insults are only ever good if they are broad, all encompassing insults. Because that way, the people they are aimed at will not take it too personally and they will be able to feel part of some 'wronged' minority. Because, of course, you don't really want to hurt someone when you insult them.

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[Pinky but Perky]

the one thing that bugs me about the elections is that they, and i mean all politicians, all promise things that they can't possibly deliver, so why bother wasting their breath on such nonsense? i would respect them more if they said " look we can't promise you anything radical but we are going to try do the best for our country" instead of saying "we're going to do this and we're going to abolish that...etc" because we all know that its fabricated nonsense...the most radical thing a politician can do is tell the truth.
i know i'll probably get a barage of abuse from some folk but i don't care.

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the knack is finding a grape that actually looks edible....damn you Tesco!