Why would anyone in their right mind vote Conservative?

[Jerry]

Let's see...

- 'tougher school discipline' => smacking students, huh?
- 'charge interest on student loans' => great, now we'll never get past this bloody burden; we'll just drown in our debts.
- 'repeal hunting ban' => legalise fox hunting? how insensitive and arrogant can one be to other forms of life?
- 'repeal Human Rights Act' => excuse me, but I want my rights and freedom and ENJOY my life.
- 'oppose banning incitement to religious hatred' => encourage xenophobia, racism and hatred, leading to ongoing blind ignorance and segregation between communities? OH PLEASE.. we aren't cavemen no more; this isn't the bloody 20th century. can't we all just get along?
- 'Reservations over equalities' => bloody elitests...the 'lower class people' are people too you know; they have wants and feelings as much as the higher classes. stop looking down on them.

'Vote Conservative'?? Yeah right, what a bloody joke.

Conservative < worthless shite.

[Zombie Sheep]

Whilst I am not sure your arguments are particularly convinving, I will also not be voting Conservative. I find their approach to immmigration appalling, to say the least, and I find my self generally opposed to them on all their key election stances. I will be voting SNP, a party who have a policy towards immigration that I agree with, a policy of allowing skilled workers to settle in this country, something Scotland's declining could certainly do with.

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[Bitterandtwisted]

Their latest idea is to introduce "thousands" of new faith schools. Great. The whole country will become Glasgow during an old firm match.

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I let my mind wander and it didn't come back.

[Mr Comedy]

Quoting Jerry from 06:21, 15th Apr 2005
Let's see...

- 'tougher school discipline' => smacking students, huh?

Tougher school discipline actually means that headteachers will be given the power to expel disruptive pupils from their class, not smacking in schools. The Conservatives don't support corporal punishment.

- 'charge interest on student loans' => great, now we'll never get past this bloody burden; we'll just drown in our debts.

Actually, we are going to charge a commercial rate of interest on student loans so there will be no need for top-up fees. You'll be paying less. Less debt, not more.

- 'repeal hunting ban' => legalise fox hunting? how insensitive and arrogant can one be to other forms of life?

I have held court on this several times before, but fox hunting is the most humane method of fox population control. Foxes are vermin and need to be killed. Why cause them extra suffering by banning hunting? The Conservatives don't participate in what amounts to pointless class warfare, and see the real facts.

- 'repeal Human Rights Act' => excuse me, but I want my rights and freedom and ENJOY my life.

NO, we are opting out of the part where we have to take all asylum seekers. Your human rights will not be affected.

- 'oppose banning incitement to religious hatred' => encourage xenophobia, racism and hatred, leading to ongoing blind ignorance and segregation between communities? OH PLEASE.. we aren't cavemen no more; this isn't the bloody 20th century. can't we all just get along?

No, again you haven't paid attention. We oppose further restrictions that would stop anyone saying anything, whilst being able to protect the rights of other people.

- 'Reservations over equalities' => bloody elitests...the 'lower class people' are people too you know; they have wants and feelings as much as the higher classes. stop looking down on them.

That's not it at all. We oppose positive discrimination to purely fill quotas, and the pervasion of not treating everyone the same. As a learning disabled student, I want to be treated the same as everyone else. Anything different is patronising.

'Vote Conservative'?? Yeah right, what a bloody joke.

Conservative < worthless shite.

There may be reasons not to vote Conservative, but you haven't actually provided a single one. If you looked at what the Conservatives said before blibdly critising them, then you might have an objective opinion. At the moment, you don't.

[puzzled]

Quoting Jerry from 06:21, 15th Apr 2005
Let's see...

- 'tougher school discipline' => smacking students, huh?

The Tories are not reintroducing corporal punishment, they just take the view that if you hit a teacher or are dissruptive to the point that no work can be done by others in the class, you should be expelled.

- 'charge interest on student loans' => great, now we'll never get past this bloody burden; we'll just drown in our debts.

Not if the repayment shedule is such that you only start paying when you can afford it. People don't whine that a mortgage takes 25 years to pay off.

- 'repeal hunting ban' => legalise fox hunting? how insensitive and arrogant can one be to other forms of life?

Because they think it is not the place of the state to ban such things.

- 'repeal Human Rights Act' => excuse me, but I want my rights and freedom and ENJOY my life.

'Rights' granted to you by the government are the most easily got rid of.

- 'oppose banning incitement to religious hatred' => encourage xenophobia, racism and hatred, leading to ongoing blind ignorance and segregation between communities? OH PLEASE.. we aren't cavemen no more; this isn't the bloody 20th century. can't we all just get along?

We are fortunate that our country is relatively extremely peaceful, such legislation will do nothing but fuel the race relations industry which will not help people. Not passing this law will not fuel xenophobia.

[Mr Comedy]

Quoting Bitterandtwisted from 11:12, 15th Apr 2005
Their latest idea is to introduce "thousands" of new faith schools. Great. The whole country will become Glasgow during an old firm match.

That's obviously bollocks. There is no sectarian violence attached to faith schools in most of the UK, and they consistently achieve higher grades than other state schools. That's a good idea.

[Humphrey]

How come theres no thread slagging Labour?

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[Stuart]

Lower taxes
School discipline
Cleaner hospitals
More police
Controlled immigration

As the guy on the PPB says - it's not rocket science, is it?

[Stuart]

Double posted

[snodgrass]

"Are you thinking that we're stinking?" - Conservatives

Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking Mr Howard.

[Elvis]

Can you provide us with any reasons not to vote Conservative, Mr Comedy?

[Rilla]

Quoting Mr Comedy from 11:18, 15th Apr 2005NO, we are opting out of the part where we have to take all asylum seekers. Your human rights will not be affected.

Oh, well, as long as MY human rights aren't affected, who cares what happens to the rest of the world, eh?

Bloody foreigners. Coming in and taking our jobs and social security.
And not learning English properly. And causing crime.
Anything I've missed out?







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Oh, yes, wait.
I'm a foreigner/immigrant.
Woops!

[stark realist]

I personally am not in favour of hunting with dogs nor will I ever vote Tory but do you honestly think the current hunting ban will prevent any foxes from being killed by people who enjoy killing animals? When was the last time you heard of someone becoming a game keeper just to feed the kids?
Whoever does it, foxes will still be killed and many will suffer even more than if they'd been killed with dogs, how many of our farmers and gamekeepers are trained marksmen? A huge number of animals only clipped will take days or possibly weeks to die of infection and starvation.
The only reason the labour government brought the ban in was to attract the working classes by going "look at how we're sticking it to these posh types" in a cynical attempt to grab votes in the run-up to an election.

If fox hunting was carried out in urban areas by neds on mopeds following pit-bulls, the government wouldn't have dared ban it.

[quote]Quoting Jerry from 06:21, 15th Apr 2005

- 'repeal hunting ban' => legalise fox hunting? how insensitive and arrogant can one be to other forms of life?

[Guest]

Quoting Rilla from 11:55, 15th Apr 2005
Bloody foreigners. Coming in and taking our jobs and social security.
And not learning English properly. And causing crime.
Anything I've missed out?

One of the reasons that the right have been able to make political capital out of assylum is because of patronising attitudes like yours. Immigration is not a clear cut issue where there is an obviously right answer (is there ever?). It annoys me so much that left have refused to debate this issue and so have allowed the right to run with it.

And before you ask, I think immigration should be virtually unrestircted (ie more than it is at the moment) and they should be allowed to work while waiting for their applications to be processed.

[bananaman]

Quoting Mr Comedy from 11:18, 15th Apr 2005

- 'repeal Human Rights Act' => excuse me, but I want my rights and freedom and ENJOY my life.

NO, we are opting out of the part where we have to take all asylum seekers. Your human rights will not be affected.

Is it possible to opt out of sections of the HRA, or does a government need to opt out of all of it? There seems to be some confusion in the press about this. Any ideas?

[Bitterandtwisted]

Quoting puzzled from 11:19, 15th Apr 2005

Quoting Jerry from 06:21, 15th Apr 2005
Let's see...

- 'charge interest on student loans' => great, now we'll never get past this bloody burden; we'll just drown in our debts.

Not if the repayment shedule is such that you only start paying when you can afford it. People don't whine that a mortgage takes 25 years to pay off.

Yes, but owning your own house is a privaledge. An education should be a right. Am I being realy naive in my belief that education should be free for all who seek it? Hardly any of my friends went to uni because in our area, debts of £15k and above are not something one walks casualy into. Incidently, our loans are not entirely interest free - my debts are currently increasing by £30-40 a month. Presumably this is just inflation.

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I let my mind wander and it didn't come back.

[Haunted]

Quite frankly I agree with alot of the Tories policies, particularly where classroom disicpline and immigration are concerned. However I will still be voting labour, I'd rather have them looking after the economy

[Newty]

Quoting Stuart from 11:38, 15th Apr 2005
Cleaner hospitals

I think they actually said they were going to bring in matrons, who I imagine must be equipped with magic wands. There's a lot more to decreasing hospital-acquired infection than just bringing in another layer of staff and creeping privatisation of the NHS.

[Stuart]

Quoting Newty from 13:37, 15th Apr 2005

Quoting Stuart from 11:38, 15th Apr 2005
Cleaner hospitals

I think they actually said they were going to bring in matrons, who I imagine must be equipped with magic wands. There's a lot more to decreasing hospital-acquired infection than just bringing in another layer of staff and creeping privatisation of the NHS.

Of course the Tories realise this. A glance at the health section of the manifesto gives details of longer-term strategies to deal with infections.

Under Labour, more people are killed by hospital acquired infections than on Britain's roads.

Creeping privatisation?

[tintin]

Quoting Haunted from 13:27, 15th Apr 2005
However I will still be voting labour, I'd rather have them looking after the economy

Looking after the economy? That's a bit rich: we have a huge budget deficit at present thanks to Labour's care with the economy.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/economic ... %2C00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/stor ... 31,00.html

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