Pet peeve about lights left on

[Chain Mailer]

I know it sounds very pernickety but it really irritates me the amount of shops that leave their lights on ALL BLOODY NIGHT!!!! I mean HELLO! who the hell goes window shopping at 2 in the bloody morning?!?! Have they never heard of the words energy conservation?! Don't they feel guilty about the amount of energy and money they're wasting?!?!
Anyways, that's just my thought, am thinking of putting flyers on their windows highlighting their obvious ignorance and requesting that they stop. Unfortunatly I think it would just be a waste of time (not to mention paper!) so maybe just a rock through their windows with a note wrapped round it would make the point more quickly.
What do people think?


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[kitty]

well, having worked in a shop that leaves their lights on all night, I know that they would probably respond by saying that they leave the lights on to decrease the chances of burglary. Some theory about if the burglars can be seen they won't do it. I agree with you, but that's what my store told me.

Quoting Chain Mailer from 21:00, 11th Nov 2005
I know it sounds very pernickety but it really irritates me the amount of shops that leave their lights on ALL BLOODY NIGHT!!!! I mean HELLO! who the hell goes window shopping at 2 in the bloody morning?!?! Have they never heard of the words energy conservation?! Don't they feel guilty about the amount of energy and money they're wasting?!?!
Anyways, that's just my thought, am thinking of putting flyers on their windows highlighting their obvious ignorance and requesting that they stop. Unfortunatly I think it would just be a waste of time (not to mention paper!) so maybe just a rock through their windows with a note wrapped round it would make the point more quickly.
What do people think?


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[Steveo]

Goddamn tree hugging ecohippy.

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Not my ethics.

[raheli]

yeah right steve, you'll really be whistling when we're all up to our necks in seawater and gas is £3 a litre with no viable alternative. even if you care about nothing but profit, surely destroying the world will put a little crimp in business?

[munchingfoo]

...but not gin.

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[Smith]

Quoting raheli from 23:03, 11th Nov 2005
yeah right steve, you'll really be whistling when we're all up to our necks in seawater and gas is £3 a litre with no viable alternative. even if you care about nothing but profit, surely destroying the world will put a little crimp in business?

When exactly will we all be up to our necks in seawater? There is no evidence to suggest that global sea levels are rising at all.

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[Frank]

Quoting Smith from 04:01, 12th Nov 2005 There is no evidence to suggest that global sea levels are rising at all.

So where is all the ice going? Mars? The Moon? Evaporating into space? Holiday?

I can't help but think that with ice-caps melting sea levels will rise(unless the earth is a huge sentient sponge). Whether this it to do with Global Warming or not is debatable, whether the Sea Levels rise or not...ask Holland.

Frank

[Smith]

Actually I think you'll find that on the whole ice is not melting at all, and in Antarctica the ice caps are actually getting bigger, and since most of the worlds ice is there, I don't think that there is much of a problem.

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[Melkor]

In the past sea levels have been several hundred meters higher than there are now, and they could well be again in the future without man's influence...

I think we could also say:

"Pet peeve about SERVER left on

I know it sounds very pernickety but it really irritates me the SERVER FOR THESINNER.NET STAYS on ALL BLOODY NIGHT!!!! I mean HELLO! who the hell goes POSTING MESSAGES at 2 in the bloody morning?!?! Have they never heard of the words energy conservation?! Don't they feel guilty about the amount of energy and money they're wasting?!?!"

Heh heh

[Gubbins]

Quoting Smith from 04:01, 12th Nov 2005
There is no evidence to suggest that global sea levels are rising at all.

Actually there does appear to be good evidence for sea level rises. Tide records show the level has been rising by an average of 1.9mm/year over the last 100 years, although different studies put this between 1 and 4 mm/year. More recent satellite radar altimetry shows a global increase of around 3.6mm/year, with local departures from this of up to 80mm/year. It is mostly not melting ice that contributes to this (although it has some role to play), it is thermal expansion of the oceans due to the increase in global temperature of roughly a degree over the same 100-year period.

St Andrews needn't worry quite so much, since the land is rising by about 1mm/year due to post-glacial isostatic readjustment, however London is sinking by 1.5mm/year due to the same process.

The question about sea level is not whether it is happening but whether the effects we see are man-made.

Hannah, J., J. Geophys. Res., 95, no. B8, 1990.
Maul, G. A., and D. M. Martin, Geophys. Res. Letters, 20, no. 18, 1955-1958, 1993.
Inter-Agency Committee on Marine Science and Technology, UK Marine Waters 2004 - Marine Processes & Climate

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...but then again, that is only my opinion.

[Rob]

Quoting Gubbins from 10:40, 12th Nov 2005
London is sinking by 1.5mm/year due to the same process.

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...but then again, that is only my opinion.

Hooray!

[Steveo]

Ice caps melting won't raise sea levels. That ice already displaces water, so surely it's melting won't cause a rise in sea levels.

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[Haunted]

Quoting Steveo from 13:26, 12th Nov 2005
Ice caps melting won't raise sea levels. That ice already displaces water, so surely it's melting won't cause a rise in sea levels.

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Not my ethics.

Only true for the ice that is below sea level

[Chain Mailer]

Considering that at least half the mass extinctions that have occured on earth are believed to have arisen due to fluctuations in sea level I think it's safe to say that at some point sea levels will rise.

Maybe I should just write on the shop windows in soap! saves on paper waste

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[Smith]

the point i was trying to make is that i don't think human interference will change sea levels to any real extent. The evidence is sketchy as to wether humans have caused a rise in global temperature as well, since climate is known to change unpredictably.

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[Chain Mailer]

True, but whether leaving lights on will cause sea levels to rise is not really the main reason I have an issue with the shops. It's the fact they are pointlessly wasting energy (which is running out, even if the sea levels aren't suppossedly rising). That's why I'm peeved

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[Steveo]

I just thought, reading the topic of the thread, do you leave the lights on or off, if you catch my drift? Wink wink nudge nudge.

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Not my ethics.

[Prophet Tenebrae]

Only true for the ice that is below sea level

Go take an ice-cube, a glass of water and ruler and tell me that again.

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[Haunted]

Quoting Prophet Tenebrae from 16:21, 12th Nov 2005

Only true for the ice that is below sea level

Go take an ice-cube, a glass of water and ruler and tell me that again.

A little bit different that as there are two mechanisms at work.

1.The ice is 9/10 below water due to it having only a slightly lesser density than water. So 1/10 of an ice cube is a pretty small amount anyway.
2. when the ice melts into water its density increase and thus its volume shrinks.

Not all ice is floating on water remember

[munchingfoo]

Yeah, the antartic has land as some of the artic ice caps rest on land a various times of the year.

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