And I thought nationalists were mad!

[flarewearer]

I finally got round to reading yesterday's Sunday Times, I'm sure this must be an April Fools come early;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 41,00.html

Is it a case of Union Flag, bad, Saltire, bad? Will we allowed to have any national or historical symbols when the revolution comes and the benevolent tartan-leninists takes over? (Actually, as an afterthought, tartan will probably be abolished also)
Mere words cannot express my loathing of such people, and i use the latter word generously, as this Colin Fox.

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[exnihilo]

There are a lot of runny-brained people in the Scottish Parliament, and I just don't understand their thinking - and I'm using that word generously - at times.

[Haunted]

I suppose we'll have to tear down all the churches and cathedrals as well to help erase Christianity from Scotland.

[flarewearer]

Oh yes, I almost forgot, we'll have to start renaming the buildings and colleges of St Andrews. I propose "Sheridan Hall" and "Sheridan's Quad" for St Salvators (Sherries for short), perhaps Marx for St Mary's quad (thereby saving money, just cross the y and paint over the St.) and of course St Andrews itself will need to be renamed; Peppergrad? any other suggestions.

There were others in history who seeked to abolish national symbols and deny a country it's heritage. Lenin, Stalin and Hoxha spring to mind...

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[Iain]

Now my sole contribution (or haddock if you prefer) will be to say that:

1) Sandra White's researcher got the sack if I recall correctly.
2) Colin Fox hasn't reckoned with Bashir Ahmed and Jagangir Hanif the two Muslim Glasgow Councillors in the SNP.
3) Some will see the saltire as being an integral part of the Union Jack; personally I see it as a corruption of the saltire. Fair enough.

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http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~snpsoc

[Bitterandtwisted]

"A motion being presented to the Scottish parliament will ask MSPs to approve a new “rainbow” flag that better reflects Scotland’s cultural and ethnic diversity."

I think a "rainbow" flag would be reflective of a sexual rather than ethnic diversity...

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Allow myself to introduce... myself.

[flarewearer]

Quoting dunqn from 13:25, 23rd Jan 2006

Now, my history is, at best, extremely shoddy - but isn't the saltire a part of the union jack, along with the english and welsh flags?

I believe the opposed St Patrick's cross (the one set inside the saltire) represents the Irish crown, the Welsh don't get a looking I'm afraid as the Welsh crown is part of the English, and the Union flag represents the Union of the Crowns? (again, excuse my history if it is wrong).
Interestingly, it is illegal to fly the lion rampant flag without permission, as it is the royal standard of Scotland.

P.S, the Union Flag was the idea of a Scot, King James VI

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[Garnet]

The union flag is made up of the flag of St George, St Andrew and St Patrick. (It does not include St David)



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It's about time the piano realized that it did not write the concerto

http://standrews.facebook.com/profile.php?id=37106569

[flarewearer]

Quoting Garnet from 14:35, 23rd Jan 2006
(It does not include St David)

Which of course is a 20th Century invention

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[ForgoneConclusion]

Where all the world's flags were graded?

There's just broken links on google.

[flarewearer]

Quoting ForgoneConclusion from 15:08, 23rd Jan 2006
Where all the world's flags were graded?

There's just broken links on google.

Fotw.org

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[flarewearer]

When the revolution comes, I hope they will choose my flag for the Scottish Soviet Socialist Republic under Chairman and Secretary General Fox. I feel it truly represents the modern diversity of the real Scotland.

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[Tom]

Reading that article made me ridiculously angry.

It is one of the most absurd suggestions I have ever heard.

Why do certain people insist on attacking all of our traditions. What would Scotland have it was not for its history?


Furthermore, I find it ironic that the SSP essentially looks down upon people who harbour patriotic sentiments (oh the horror!). Surely these are the same people the SSP are trying to enlist in their own glorius revolution. Bolloks!

John Reid: "I used to believe in Socialism, but I also used to believe in Santa."

Tom

[Webbie]

Quoting flarewearer from 12:59, 23rd Jan 2006
Oh yes, I almost forgot, we'll have to start renaming the buildings and colleges of St Andrews. I propose "Sheridan Hall" and "Sheridan's Quad" for St Salvators (Sherries for short), perhaps Marx for St Mary's quad (thereby saving money, just cross the y and paint over the St.) and of course St Andrews itself will need to be renamed; Peppergrad? any other suggestions.

There were others in history who seeked to abolish national symbols and deny a country it's heritage. Lenin, Stalin and Hoxha spring to mind...

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Is that a veiled attack on Simon Pepper (Peppergrad - oh yeah because Simon is bringing a Stalinist manifesto to the uni, sure), bit mean I think.

[Marco Biagi]

3) Some will see the saltire as being an integral part of the Union Jack; personally I see it as a corruption of the saltire. Fair enough.

The thing that always jumped out at me was the way it looks as if the St George's cross has been printed over the St Andrew's. Maybe it's just a personal quirk to see it in three dimensions though.

[Lodestone]

Oh, God, no, not our heritage! Not our wonderful heritage! Whatever shall we do?

Anyone who needs a flag to tell them who they are doesn't have a who to be told.

I care not either way. It's just a bloody flag.

[flarewearer]

Quoting Marco Biagi from 02:08, 24th Jan 2006
The thing that always jumped out at me was the way it looks as if the St George's cross has been printed over the St Andrew's. Maybe it's just a personal quirk to see it in three dimensions though.

No, the St George's cross is intentionally "printed over" the St Andrew's cross, this is so that the white of the St George's cross is not lost, the prospect of which the English were not happy at losing.
There was indeed a version produced for Scotland (at this time these flags were used only by offices of the state, i.e. the army, the navy) that was apparently flown in Dunbar and Edinburgh at various times;
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Either way by 1801, when the St Patricks offset cross was added, this had fallen out of use.

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[Tweedle-Dum]

It does look quite horrendous.

Quoting flarewearer from 11:44, 24th Jan 2006

Quoting Marco Biagi from 02:08, 24th Jan 2006
The thing that always jumped out at me was the way it looks as if the St George's cross has been printed over the St Andrew's. Maybe it's just a personal quirk to see it in three dimensions though.

No, the St George's cross is intentionally "printed over" the St Andrew's cross, this is so that the white of the St George's cross is not lost, the prospect of which the English were not happy at losing.
There was indeed a version produced for Scotland (at this time these flags were used only by offices of the state, i.e. the army, the navy) that was apparently flown in Dunbar and Edinburgh at various times;
image:www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/g/gb-altsc.gif

Either way by 1801, when the St Patricks offset cross was added, this had fallen out of use.

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[Bonnie]

Symbols only have the meanings which are attached to them. There is no inherant Christian meaning in white and blue shapes.

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I love cheese.

[Lodestone]

Quoting Bonnie from 12:45, 24th Jan 2006
Symbols only have the meanings which are attached to them. There is no inherant Christian meaning in white and blue shapes.

Correct.

Also, it's just a flag.