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by **VThigh** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:19 am

just got home... i liked it

by **emzn** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:07 pm

It's St Andrews....leave your full-stops behind!

by **Gubbins** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:13 pm

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Or Saint Andrew's, if you're being correct. So, strictly speaking, it should have a full stop and an apostrophe: St. Andrew's.
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...but then again, that is only my opinion.

by **Pedant** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:24 pm

The town's name is
St Andrews

If you're going to make corrections, please check to ensure you're correct.

by **Lyeta** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:38 pm

Which is correct? I have been debating this for a while. Surely it was originally St. Andrew's (as in it "belongs" to St. Andrew)? On maps and in the University name and anywhere else I have seen it written it is St. Andrews. Hmm

P.S Glad you enjoyed your visit!

by **Jason Dunn** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:51 pm

I think the town predates the invention of the possessive apostrophe. The Latin name of the university Universitas Sancti Andreae apud Scotus translantes to The University of St Andrews among the Scots, or some such. I'm sure I'll be promptly corrected if I am wrong.

St is a contraction rather than a truncation (e.g. Rev.) and hence it doesn't need a full-stop, according to the current usage.

by **Eliot Wilson** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:20 pm

Actually, the University's Latin name means "The University of St Andrew among the Scots", so in a strict sense, "St Andrew's" would be right. But I think "St Andrews" is universally accepted as the English form now.

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Death: "Don't patronise me."

by **ferret** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:44 pm

Quoting emzn from 16:07, 6th Mar 2006
It's St Andrews....leave your full-stops behind!

just like to say . grammer aside im sure you've all made that potential student just gaging to start four years here.

by **DrAlex** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:49 pm

Quoting ferret from 17:44, 6th Mar 2006
grammer aside...gaging

Tee hee...

VTHigh has probably made more representation on The Sinner than any other prospective student since my time here began. He's no stranger to our ways.

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by **Admin** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:28 pm

Quoting Lyeta from 16:38, 6th Mar 2006
On maps and in the University name and anywhere else I have seen it written it is St. Andrews. Hmm

P.S Glad you enjoyed your visit!

I very much doubt you'll have seen it on maps and in the University name as "St. Andrews" (but I'm prepared to be proven wrong).

I'm also glad you enjoyed your visit - email me if you'd like a Sinner guest account to avoid the unregistered user system.
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by **Lyeta** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:13 pm

Quoting Admin from 18:28, 6th Mar 2006
Quoting Lyeta from 16:38, 6th Mar 2006
On maps and in the University name and anywhere else I have seen it written it is St. Andrews. Hmm

I very much doubt you'll have seen it on maps and in the University name as "St. Andrews" (but I'm prepared to be proven wrong).

Well perhaps not the most official source but http://www.saint-andrews.co.uk/staindex.html (I had seen it somewhere!)I have since looked up and realised that St. is not actually the correct abbreviation of Saint. I stand corrected.

Edit: Apparently it's an American vs. British difference, and as I went to an American school that is probably where I got it from.

by **Guest** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting Jason Dunn from 16:51, 6th Mar 2006
I think the town predates the invention of the possessive apostrophe.

Similarly to Athens, the Royal Burgh's name is plural. What's so difficult to understand?

by **RJ Covino** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:45 pm

You can add Thebes and Mycenae to the list of plurally named cities, as well as St Andrews...

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by **novium** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:01 pm

the real question is "is athens really plural, or just that way because it is an anglicized version of a name not in english?"
So I would wonder if athens is plural in greek.

This whole thing seems pretty ridiculous to me. No matter if it is written St Andrews, it is pretty clear (if only from the history!) that the meaning is the same as St. Andrew's and Saint Andrew's.

Quoting from 18:22, 6th Mar 2006
Quoting Jason Dunn from 16:51, 6th Mar 2006
I think the town predates the invention of the possessive apostrophe.

Similarly to Athens, the Royal Burgh's name is plural. What's so difficult to understand?

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by **Admin** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:27 pm

Quoting Lyeta from 19:13, 6th Mar 2006
Well perhaps not the most official source but http://www.saint-andrews.co.uk/staindex.html (I had seen it somewhere!)I have since looked up and realised that St. is not actually the correct abbreviation of Saint. I stand corrected.

Sorry Lyeta, I'm not going to accept saint-andrews.co.uk as an official source of reference...

by **Lyeta** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:57 pm

Quoting Admin from 20:27, 6th Mar 2006
Quoting Lyeta from 19:13, 6th Mar 2006
Well perhaps not the most official source but http://www.saint-andrews.co.uk/staindex.html (I had seen it somewhere!)I have since looked up and realised that St. is not actually the correct abbreviation of Saint. I stand corrected.

Sorry Lyeta, I'm not going to accept saint-andrews.co.uk as an official source of reference...

I know don't worry I wasn't expecting you to

by **exnihilo** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:23 pm

During the reign of Struther Arnott, the University officially designated St Andrews as their official spelling/punctuation of choice, theretofore it was not uncommon to see St. Andrews.

As for apostrophe's, there isn't one. Anymore than there is in, for example, Queens Street or Barons Court. It is not usual to apostrophise place names, and although there are examples they are very much the exception.

The University in its formal Latin is the University of St Andrew among the Scots, but in English it is the University of St Andrews, not (not ever) St Andrew's University.

by **Eliot Wilson** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:53 pm

If anyone can explain why every day on the District Line I go through Barons Court and Earl's Court, they will render me a not-inconsiderable service.

Of course, only one town in Britain has an exclamation mark in its name.

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Bill and Ted beat the Grim Reaper at Twister

Bill: "You played very well, Death, especially with your totally heavy Death robes."

Death: "Don't patronise me."

by **Cain** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting exnihilo from 22:23, 6th Mar 2006
As for apostrophe's, there isn't one. Anymore than there is in, for example, Queens Street or Barons Court. It is not usual to apostrophise place names, and although there are examples they are very much the exception.

is that a greengrocer's apostrophe?

and which town has an exclamation mark in its name?

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by **ronald villiers** on Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:10 pm

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and which town has an exclamation mark in its name?

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That would be Westward Ho! I believe.

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