Guy on the roof of the church on South St

[lts2]

Does anyone know what he is doing up there?

[DrAlex]

His banner says "full custody for dads", so I think it's safe to assume he is at least copying Fathers For Justice, if not a member/campaigner himself.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. If your thought process goes "hm, judge isn't giving me custody, I better strip down to my boxers and stand on top of a public building", you are probably not fit to be a father. And now you've demonstrated that to the world. There's desperation, and there's misguidedness, someone needs to teach FFJ the difference.

[hr]

The Sinner: Where no one ever learned "if you haven't got any thing nice to say, don't say anything at all."

[Haunted]

Was wondering what happened to FFJ. Seems the media haven't been so interested since they stopped their wacky antics, so here we are.

[hr]

Now with 100% more corn

[Raindog]

Quoting DrAlex from 16:31, 9th Oct 2007
His banner says "full custody for dads", so I think it's safe to assume he is at least copying Fathers For Justice, if not a member/campaigner himself.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. If your thought process goes "hm, judge isn't giving me custody, I better strip down to my boxers and stand on top of a public building", you are probably not fit to be a father. And now you've demonstrated that to the world. There's desperation, and there's misguidedness, someone needs to teach FFJ the difference.

[hr]

The Sinner: Where no one ever learned "if you haven't got any thing nice to say, don't say anything at all."

Gets them attention. So it has seemed to worked. Down with the CSA

[Frank]

Quoting DrAlex from 16:31, 9th Oct 2007
I'm going to go out on a limb here. If your thought process goes "hm, judge isn't giving me custody, I better strip down to my boxers and stand on top of a public building", you are probably not fit to be a father. And now you've demonstrated that to the world.

I agree, but I'd posit that the thought process might be more likely:

"Hmmm, judge isn't giving me custody. Judge isn't likely to ever give me custody. I better strip down to my boxers and stand on top of a public building to raise the profile for other dad's before they get to my position"

But, then again: he might just be wacko.

Interesting spectacle for the way home, though.

[hr]

"There is only ever one truth. Things are always black or white, there's no such thing as a shade of grey. If you think that something is a shade of grey it simply means that you don't fully understand the situation. The truth is narrow and the path of the pursuit of truth is similarly narrow."

[Timata]

Quoting Frank from 17:32, 9th Oct 2007
Interesting spectacle for the way home, though.

Missed seeing him, but had the chance of trying to get myself killed dodging through the diverted traffic on a bicycle :S

[October]

dman my code was showing.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/T ... sinner.jpg
For a photo of the mad man

[hr]

Does no-one feel that giving geeks a justification such as Article 31 a bad move? - Frank

[Power Metal Dom]

I was there for an hour or so watching this mentalist, a strangely compelling "will he jump?", "what'll happen next?" factor kept me there. Plus he was tying a rope around his neck. The police eventually moved people on when a fire engine turned up, anyone know how it ended?

Oh note to the guy...you spelt justice without the "c"...I guess there's no justie in the world

[hr]

Like flames on fuel...upon metal I drool

[The Jaspar]

Quoting Power_Metal_Dom from 18:29, 9th Oct 2007
I was there for an hour or so watching this mentalist, a strangely compelling "will he jump?", "what'll happen next?" factor kept me there. Plus he was tying a rope around his neck. The police eventually moved people on when a fire engine turned up, anyone know how it ended?

Oh note to the guy...you spelt justice without the "c"...I guess there's no justie in the world

[hr]

Like flames on fuel...upon metal I drool

I saw him get into the extended ladder thingy on the firetruck. He was then escorted to a police van (as far as I could tell from outside Unknown Pleasures)

[flossy]

Well he has no reason to worry about custody now - wouldn't you be so embarrassed if it was your dad that you'd change your name?

Incidentally, how many people were standing around yelling "jump!"? (I need to compare this to the Bigg Market Pizza Hut mentalist....)

[hr]

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the substrate.

[kitcat]

Ironically, its FFJ that are the cause of all my hassle just now... their campaigns of equal rights for fathers is making my ex try and get me to agree to his PARENTS getting custody of our son... twisted, huh? Oh well, maybe he'll decide to do one of these silly twisted things and i can claim he's insane and stop all this crazy...

[munchingfoo]

I'm curious as to why you blame a group of fathers who want the right to have custody/access for the behaviour of your ex.

Surely the group you'd be looking to blame would be "parents for justice", although i don't think they exist.

Lets face it, unless you are a nutter or are majorly disabled theres not much chance his parents will get custody over you.

[hr]

Tired Freudian references aside - your mother played my mighty skin flute like a surf crowned sea nymph trying to rouse Poseidon from his watery slumber!

[kitcat]

I blame FFJ for my ex mainly cos he decided i am a nutter cos i wont let his parents take our son, and the FFJ campaign has meant that he has been able to refuse me access... He doesnt want custody, but is lying to the courts by saying he lives with his parents so that they can get custody... its sick n twisted, and far too stressful... I'm not trying to stop him seeing our son, but i am trying to stop him taking away my parental rights, but he is fuelled by the courts current favour for fathers, over mothers, and accusing me of everything under the sun, with no evidence... what fun!

[munchingfoo]

Welcome to the world of almost every man in a custody battle where the woman has the child.

Deal with it.

Your ex may be an arsehole. His parents may be misguided, but i still don't see that you have any grounds to place the blame on FFJ.

I guess you believe that you should, being the woman, have intermediate custody until the court case is over?

[hr]

Tired Freudian references aside - your mother played my mighty skin flute like a surf crowned sea nymph trying to rouse Poseidon from his watery slumber!

[Guest]

The policewoman who directed me to the other side of the street seemed quite smily so maybe the local sagely nodding his head and saying "He's going to hang himself then" was wrong. He did have some rope round his neck, and a sheet with something including the word Dad on it so I don't know. I didn't really fancy watching someone in their pants protesting or hanging himself, so I didn't stay.

[grrrraby]

That poor guy. What a spectacle.

Quoting raindog from 17:19, 9th Oct 2007

Quoting DrAlex from 16:31, 9th Oct 2007
His banner says "full custody for dads", so I think it's safe to assume he is at least copying Fathers For Justice, if not a member/campaigner himself.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. If your thought process goes "hm, judge isn't giving me custody, I better strip down to my boxers and stand on top of a public building", you are probably not fit to be a father. And now you've demonstrated that to the world. There's desperation, and there's misguidedness, someone needs to teach FFJ the difference.

[hr]

The Sinner: Where no one ever learned "if you haven't got any thing nice to say, don't say anything at all."

Gets them attention. So it has seemed to worked. Down with the CSA

[smithy]

Did anyone else think it looked like he wrote his sign with a blue biro? I came out of St Marys Quad in time to see him with a rope round his neck and a badly made sign...it was a strange sight for 5pm on a Tuesday evening, although this is St Andrews I suppose.

[777]

Quoting kitcat from 21:49, 10th Oct 2007
I blame FFJ for my ex mainly cos he decided i am a nutter cos i wont let his parents take our son, and the FFJ campaign has meant that he has been able to refuse me access... He doesnt want custody, but is lying to the courts by saying he lives with his parents so that they can get custody... its sick n twisted, and far too stressful... I'm not trying to stop him seeing our son, but i am trying to stop him taking away my parental rights, but he is fuelled by the courts current favour for fathers, over mothers, and accusing me of everything under the sun, with no evidence... what fun!

Absolute crap. A mother always has parental responsibility for a child. The only way a mother's PR can be removed is if the child is adopted.

[Frank]

Quoting 777 from 09:40, 12th Oct 2007

Quoting kitcat from 21:49, 10th Oct 2007
I blame FFJ for my ex mainly cos he decided i am a nutter cos i wont let his parents take our son, and the FFJ campaign has meant that he has been able to refuse me access... He doesnt want custody, but is lying to the courts by saying he lives with his parents so that they can get custody... its sick n twisted, and far too stressful... I'm not trying to stop him seeing our son, but i am trying to stop him taking away my parental rights, but he is fuelled by the courts current favour for fathers, over mothers, and accusing me of everything under the sun, with no evidence... what fun!

Absolute crap. A mother always has parental responsibility for a child. The only way a mother's PR can be removed is if the child is adopted.

Does this apply to the father as well? In either case: Why?

[hr]

"There is only ever one truth. Things are always black or white, there's no such thing as a shade of grey. If you think that something is a shade of grey it simply means that you don't fully understand the situation. The truth is narrow and the path of the pursuit of truth is similarly narrow."

[777]

Quoting Frank from 09:52, 12th Oct 2007

Quoting 777 from 09:40, 12th Oct 2007

Quoting kitcat from 21:49, 10th Oct 2007
I blame FFJ for my ex mainly cos he decided i am a nutter cos i wont let his parents take our son, and the FFJ campaign has meant that he has been able to refuse me access... He doesnt want custody, but is lying to the courts by saying he lives with his parents so that they can get custody... its sick n twisted, and far too stressful... I'm not trying to stop him seeing our son, but i am trying to stop him taking away my parental rights, but he is fuelled by the courts current favour for fathers, over mothers, and accusing me of everything under the sun, with no evidence... what fun!

Absolute crap. A mother always has parental responsibility for a child. The only way a mother's PR can be removed is if the child is adopted.

Does this apply to the father as well? In either case: Why?

[hr]

"There is only ever one truth. Things are always black or white, there's no such thing as a shade of grey. If you think that something is a shade of grey it simply means that you don't fully understand the situation. The truth is narrow and the path of the pursuit of truth is similarly narrow."

In the case of fathers: Married fathers automatically have PR. In the case of unmarried fathers, the following applies (this was lifted from a government website)

Unmarried fathers can acquire parental responsibility for their children in several different ways, depending on when their children were born.

For children born before 1 December 2003, unmarried fathers can get parental responsibility by:

* marrying the mother of their child or by obtaining a parental responsibility order from the court
* registering a parental responsibility agreement with the court or by an application to court

For children born after 1 December 2003, the situation is different. Unmarried fathers can get parental responsibility by:

* registering the child's birth jointly with the mother at the time of birth - this is now quite common and many parents choose to do this
* re-registering the birth if you are the natural father
* marrying the mother of their child or by obtaining a parental responsibility order from the court
* registering with the court for parental responsibility

(http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Parents/Fam ... DG_4002954)