Quoting eagle from 20:32, 19th Jun 2008
Awesome, we should bring back National Service.
Why was it phased out, anyway?
Because conscipts make for shit soldiers.
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Quoting eagle from 20:32, 19th Jun 2008
Awesome, we should bring back National Service.
Why was it phased out, anyway?
Quoting Duggeh from 21:24, 19th Jun 2008Quoting eagle from 20:32, 19th Jun 2008
Awesome, we should bring back National Service.
Why was it phased out, anyway?
Because conscipts make for shit soldiers.
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Quoting David Bean from 19:14, 18th Jun 2008
Absolutely - yet another disgraceful assault on individual liberty by a government no less despicable in its casual disregard for the freedom of a large section of the adult population than the one we have to put up with in Westminster.
Are you really going to take this? If I were in Scotland right now, and particularly still a student, I'd be demanding that the SRC take action. This is, after all, nothing more than age discrimination: if they employed the same policy in their hiring practices, they'd be sued out of the country.
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Quoting jono from 22:03, 19th Jun 2008
Yeah; "Booze 4 Students! Now!" I don't see it happening! Besides; the Association disapproves of binge drinking. The drinks debate has been painted completely in black and white. Ergo, we couldn't possibly defend that policy while simultaneously campaigning against further restrictions on Alcohol.
Quoting Al from 23:11, 19th Jun 2008
New licensing laws from Westminster? When did licensing laws become a reserved matter?
Quoting David Bean from 00:26, 20th Jun 2008
But if you really think defending the freedom to purchase alcohol from an off-licensed establishment to drink in your own home is the same thing as promoting binge drinking, I'd have to question how many absinthes you've personally imbibed before posting. This is a simple issue of freedom of action: on this issue we, or rather those of us who live in Scotland and are aged 18-20, have it, and the SNP Scottish Executive wants to take it away. Quite apart from the fundamental issue of liberty that's at stake here, given the number of people in that particular category at St Andrews, it's entirely proper and right that the SRC should stand up and take action.
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Quoting Andrew Mackenzie from 00:31, 20th Jun 2008Quoting Al from 23:11, 19th Jun 2008
New licensing laws from Westminster? When did licensing laws become a reserved matter?
I presume Jonathan is talking about the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005, which comes into effect from 1 September 2009. It's a law passed by the Scottish parliament as, you're right, licensing law is devolved. Westminster has nothing to do with it.
The act introduces restrictions on promotions, but I don't see why it would mean the end of off-sales at the Union??
On the matter of the SNP's proposals, I don't see the problem with the Student's Association coming out opposed to them. Basically the SNP are saying if you're between 18-21 you can't be trusted to purchase alcohol from off-sales and drink it responsibly. I think it is perfectly right and proper for the Students' Association to take a stand and say we don't agree. This is a consultation document and the SNP and inviting comments - so lets give them some.
This is the same government who are exploring lowering the voting age to 16. I quote Bruce Crawfod, Minister for Parliament:
"The Scottish Government agrees that the lack of consistency with other legal rights on entering adulthood such as paying taxes, getting married or serving in the armed forces, leads young people to believe that their views are not valid or important. By denying young people the vote, they become disengaged from the political process at the very point society expects them to engage with their emerging adult status and all the social rights, responsibilities and conditions that society imposes on them."
So...on the one hand the SNP are perfectly happy for those as young as 16 to have a say in electing the government of the country, but god forbid they try to get a bottle of wine from Tesco. Muddled, anyone?
Quoting Duggeh from 21:24, 19th Jun 2008Quoting eagle from 20:32, 19th Jun 2008
Awesome, we should bring back National Service.
Why was it phased out, anyway?
Because conscipts make for shit soldiers.
Quoting Andrew Mackenzie from 00:31, 20th Jun 2008Quoting Al from 23:11, 19th Jun 2008
New licensing laws from Westminster? When did licensing laws become a reserved matter?
I presume Jonathan is talking about the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005, which comes into effect from 1 September 2009. It's a law passed by the Scottish parliament as, you're right, licensing law is devolved. Westminster has nothing to do with it.
The act introduces restrictions on promotions, but I don't see why it would mean the end of off-sales at the Union??
Quoting Jono from 09:44, 20th Jun 2008
It won't directly ban offsales in the Union. however, the act also ends the distinction between private members club and other licenses (Or so I am told). Offsales could remain open, but could only trade until 10pm.
Quoting Jono from 09:44, 20th Jun 2008
I'm just saying that there are considerations as an institution before we go down that road. I'm correct in thinking that our late license is exceptional to the policy of all Fife? I'm also correct in thinking that this is partially justified by our expressed distain for any sort of binge drinking? Considering the hostility to students in certain quarters, a campaign of opposition to legislation ostensibly designed to curb binge drinking could be used against us by people (not I) who see these things in black and white!
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