2:2 but may increase to 2:1 depending on CW median

[Duggeh]

So says my degree calculator (and I've given myself a firm kick in the arse for a stupid and easily avoided late hand-in which put me in this position). Anyhoo.

Does this mean that if you line up all of the scores for the modules which decide your degree class and more than half of them are 2:1 (i.e. 5 out of 8 or more) level, you get bumped up, and if more than half are 2:2 you get bumped down? Or is it more complicated than that?

[munchingfoo]

Two things are needed to get a 2:i in the border case.


1. An average of more than 13.

2. A median of more than 13.5

The median grade is the one right in the middle of all your grades. The median of {1,2,3,4,5,10,11} is 4. The average is 5.14.

The uni grades are credit weighted which means that a grade 16 worth 60 credits is worth twice as much as a grade 10 at 30 credits. The easiest way to work this out is to find the largest number that divides into all of your credits as a whole number (usually 30, but sometimes 20 or 10 or even 5), in the case above this is 30. 30/30 =1 60/30 = 2. Now award two grade 16s and one grade 10. {16,16,10} Median is 16, average is 14.

I don't even think they call it "in contention" anymore. It's just a fact. You get a 2:i if you meet those criteria.

[ea58]

It's basically just the middle value so if you rank your marks from smallest to largest then find the value that lies exactly in the middle.

So if you have 8 marks it will be the average of the 4th and 5th value...if that made sense! Then if this is a 2i you should get the upper second and if its a 2ii the lower!

Hope that helped!

[Duggeh]

The mean of my 4th and 5th grades (from 8 in a median listing) is 13.75 and my mean grade is 13.3 for all 8 together.

6 of my 8 grades are 2:1, 2 are 2:2

All of my modules are worth 30 credits so the weighting doesn't factor.

This would seem to indicate a 2:1. Fingers crossed. I may also get the office to check one of my grades as I had a mark corrected upwards after the fact.

[Gubbins]

Good luck.

Speaking from experience, there are few things more frustrating than getting an average of 13.4 and a median of 12.something.

[johnjohnjohn]

There's an Excel spreadsheet on the Union website http://www.yourunion.net that has the grade criteria built in, and will tell you which side of the borderline you lie

[johnjohnjohn]

Located here in fact: http://www.yourunion.net/content/index.php?page=23303

[Kegrad]

are you sure you're counting all the (credit weighted) modules/disertations from 3rd and 4th year? I only ask because 8 seems very few modules for 4 semesters (for my degree, it could be absolutely right for yours, and all the usual disclamers)

edited because i can't count semesters. I couldn't count my degree class either when that came out, if it makes you feel better!

[orudge]

are you sure you're counting all the (credit weighted) modules/disertations from 3rd and 4th year? I only ask because 8 seems very few modules for 4 semesters (for my degree, it could be absolutely right for yours, and all the usual disclamers)

I know some others who have 8 30 credit modules, or similar values. Seems to be an arts student thing, I think.

[billygoat]

Right...
soo does that mean if i had results which were like > 14 and then got a host of bad results i.e a 5 a 11 and a 9

yet my median was still above 13.5 and my mean was 13.01 I would still be awarded a 2:1!?

[orudge]

Potentially. Stick it into the calculator and see what it says.

[johnjohnjohn]

Right...
soo does that mean if i had results which were like > 14 and then got a host of bad results i.e a 5 a 11 and a 9

yet my median was still above 13.5 and my mean was 13.01 I would still be awarded a 2:1!?

That's right. They use the median as a kind of "back-up" because just using a mean isn't really the best indicator of someone's performance, with it being quite sensitive to outlying marks. Use the calculator and have a play around with different combinations and you'll see how it works.

[Hennessy]

Can you not drop a bad mark in some subjects? Heard that was an option somewhere.

[johnjohnjohn]

Depends how many credits you end up taking. I can't remember exactly but I think to graduate you only need, say, 100 credits from 4000 level, but you end up having 120 credits. So they drop the lowest marked 20 credits. At least in Physics this is the case, not too sure about other subjects.