"Posted by James Baster at 14:39, Today
But as both me and Oli Walker, the new owner of the site, have expressed our dislike of Avators they are not going to happen. Sorry to those who wanted them.
um - end of then? why are people still going on about how easy it would be. if james and oli say they're not going to be allowed, why keep on moaning?
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by highway_to_hell1982 on Sat May 10, 2003 7:49 pm
i still don't care. and no there is no fucking connection between the two i an't that stupid! its just some resemblance that appears to have happened more than once.
to those who want to flame me for what have said in this thrad, go ahead. its not total nonsense because if it was i wouldn't waste my time posting the damn message in the first place!!!
i am finished with this thread. go flame my ass as much as you like, see if i give a shit.
to those who want to flame me for what have said in this thrad, go ahead. its not total nonsense because if it was i wouldn't waste my time posting the damn message in the first place!!!
i am finished with this thread. go flame my ass as much as you like, see if i give a shit.
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by EviLTwiN on Sat May 10, 2003 7:59 pm
that guy has a lot of aggression. i think he should take a chill pill. he made a post that implied and appeared to everyone to have made the connection between avatars and communities that weren't nice. So when people said this was not true all you have to do (if you thought also this was nonsense as you now say) was say that wasn't what you meant.
Instead you come across as an idiot. I wasn't flaming you, I just disagreed with your point and later pointed out that you didn't seem to be understanding why people were criticising your initial post. However now I may be flaming you, but I can deal with that. You've been overly aggressive and generally obnoxious, so why shouldn't i tell you i think you talk shite boy...
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And we keep discussing it even though james and oli said there won't be any because a lot of people here are talking about whether they would be a good idea.
for example... We will never have a socialist state in the foreseeable future here in the uk, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't dicuss whether they think we should have one.
we keep "moaning" because we're having a discussion.... if you;re not interested then post and read on a different thread.
Instead you come across as an idiot. I wasn't flaming you, I just disagreed with your point and later pointed out that you didn't seem to be understanding why people were criticising your initial post. However now I may be flaming you, but I can deal with that. You've been overly aggressive and generally obnoxious, so why shouldn't i tell you i think you talk shite boy...
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And we keep discussing it even though james and oli said there won't be any because a lot of people here are talking about whether they would be a good idea.
for example... We will never have a socialist state in the foreseeable future here in the uk, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't dicuss whether they think we should have one.
we keep "moaning" because we're having a discussion.... if you;re not interested then post and read on a different thread.
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eviltwin, you're the shite round here...
by highway_to_hell1982 on Sat May 10, 2003 8:25 pm
[s]EviLTwiN wrote on 20:59, 10th May 2003:
that guy has a lot of aggression. i think he should take a chill pill. he made a post that implied and appeared to everyone to have made the connection between avatars and communities that weren't nice. So when people said this was not true all you have to do (if you thought also this was nonsense as you now say) was say that wasn't what you meant.
Instead you come across as an idiot. I wasn't flaming you, I just disagreed with your point and later pointed out that you didn't seem to be understanding why people were criticising your initial post. However now I may be flaming you, but I can deal with that. You've been overly aggressive and generally obnoxious, so why shouldn't i tell you i think you talk shite boy...
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And we keep discussing it even though james and oli said there won't be any because a lot of people here are talking about whether they would be a good idea.
for example... We will never have a socialist state in the foreseeable future here in the uk, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't dicuss whether they think we should have one.
we keep "moaning" because we're having a discussion.... if you;re not interested then post and read on a different thread.
you're so lucky this is just online, eviltwin, for i don't think you would survive if you said that to me in real life....not a threat, just a fact.
oh, and don't call me shite. if anyone's the shite around here, its...YOU!!
that guy has a lot of aggression. i think he should take a chill pill. he made a post that implied and appeared to everyone to have made the connection between avatars and communities that weren't nice. So when people said this was not true all you have to do (if you thought also this was nonsense as you now say) was say that wasn't what you meant.
Instead you come across as an idiot. I wasn't flaming you, I just disagreed with your point and later pointed out that you didn't seem to be understanding why people were criticising your initial post. However now I may be flaming you, but I can deal with that. You've been overly aggressive and generally obnoxious, so why shouldn't i tell you i think you talk shite boy...
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And we keep discussing it even though james and oli said there won't be any because a lot of people here are talking about whether they would be a good idea.
for example... We will never have a socialist state in the foreseeable future here in the uk, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't dicuss whether they think we should have one.
we keep "moaning" because we're having a discussion.... if you;re not interested then post and read on a different thread.
you're so lucky this is just online, eviltwin, for i don't think you would survive if you said that to me in real life....not a threat, just a fact.
oh, and don't call me shite. if anyone's the shite around here, its...YOU!!
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by Amaunet on Sat May 10, 2003 8:37 pm
Ok, a couple of points to be made here:
1)This is a discussion board- not sure about the word discussion- look it up!
2) While your looking up the word discussion, have a look and see if there are more insulting words- because you seem to be pretty limited and repetition gets old pretty fast.
3)You might want to go and see someone about your agression problem- just remeber- agression leads to high blood pressure, and that ain't good!
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But how can you be sure?
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This is true love. You think this happens every day?
1)This is a discussion board- not sure about the word discussion- look it up!
2) While your looking up the word discussion, have a look and see if there are more insulting words- because you seem to be pretty limited and repetition gets old pretty fast.
3)You might want to go and see someone about your agression problem- just remeber- agression leads to high blood pressure, and that ain't good!
[hr]WESTLEY
Hear this now: I will come for you.
BUTTERCUP
But how can you be sure?
WESTLEY
This is true love. You think this happens every day?
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by Blessed Benediction on Sat May 10, 2003 8:39 pm
lucky git. i wish someone graced me with the name 'stupid jackoff motherfucker', still at least i'll always be the 'stupid fucking twat'. i suggest no one takes this squabble any further, it would appear to be childish to dwell on a difference of opinion for too long. agree to disagree if possible.
anyway, on a decidedly lighter note, i'm gonna listen to some Pumpkins.
[hr]watches should have a smiley face on them as it's always time to be happy
anyway, on a decidedly lighter note, i'm gonna listen to some Pumpkins.
[hr]watches should have a smiley face on them as it's always time to be happy
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Re:
by Cola Cube on Sat May 10, 2003 8:45 pm
Although the matter has been decided, I don't see how a poll to measure *opinion* would do any harm. Could just ask "do you think having avatars on the sinner would be a bad idea?".
Arguements for being that they don't take up much bandwidth if the size is limited, they're fun and they brighten forums up considerably.
Arguements against being some people don't like them and that this is a simple forum so they are not strictly speaking necessary.
And yes I know the matter is decided but since when has that stopped opinion polls from being taken?
When a result is declared, all will return to normal....maybe.
(edited because I can't spell...twice)
Arguements for being that they don't take up much bandwidth if the size is limited, they're fun and they brighten forums up considerably.
Arguements against being some people don't like them and that this is a simple forum so they are not strictly speaking necessary.
And yes I know the matter is decided but since when has that stopped opinion polls from being taken?
When a result is declared, all will return to normal....maybe.
(edited because I can't spell...twice)
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by EviLTwiN on Sat May 10, 2003 10:24 pm
"you're so lucky this is just online, eviltwin, for i don't think you would survive if you said that to me in real life....not a threat, just a fact.
oh, and don't call me shite. if anyone's the shite around here, its...YOU!!
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You must have a pretty sad life if you can get that worked up over peoples opinions on a website that you would beat them up in real life. Because if you could beat me up that proves you were correct doesn't it.
And i didn't call you shite, i said what you had said in your post was shite. And I also said you came across as an idoit as a result. I never said you were one. You're the one who is resorting to calling people names.
And don't you think you have a bit of an inflated view of yourself.
--> "i don't think you would survive if you said that to me in real life....not a threat, just a fact"
A bit of rutting stag syndrome there,... but it made me smile....
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"go flame my ass as much as you like, see if i give a shit. "
...it would appear you do "give a shit" wouldn't it?, given your next tirade.
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also... 'stupid jackoff motherfucker'
yeah, very nice, how long have you been waiting to use that one?
You're acting like you're either drunk or just naturally dull.
oh, and don't call me shite. if anyone's the shite around here, its...YOU!!
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You must have a pretty sad life if you can get that worked up over peoples opinions on a website that you would beat them up in real life. Because if you could beat me up that proves you were correct doesn't it.
And i didn't call you shite, i said what you had said in your post was shite. And I also said you came across as an idoit as a result. I never said you were one. You're the one who is resorting to calling people names.
And don't you think you have a bit of an inflated view of yourself.
--> "i don't think you would survive if you said that to me in real life....not a threat, just a fact"
A bit of rutting stag syndrome there,... but it made me smile....
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"go flame my ass as much as you like, see if i give a shit. "
...it would appear you do "give a shit" wouldn't it?, given your next tirade.
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also... 'stupid jackoff motherfucker'
yeah, very nice, how long have you been waiting to use that one?
You're acting like you're either drunk or just naturally dull.
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Re:
by hmmm on Sat May 24, 2003 7:29 pm
Ok, I'm gonna try posting this again seeing as last time it mysteriously (or not) failed to appear.
Since all the real reasons for not having avatars turned out to be rubbish, is the sole reason they will not be implemented simply due to the fact that the moderators don't like them and is this how normal public forums often work?
Just wondering because in other forums that I have seen if something like this is suggested, then a general poll is taken to gauge all users opinions on the matter.
Avatars are easy to implement, in fact no more difficult than having a personal profile which is readily available to all reg users. If they are in use those who don't like them don't have to use them.
Sorry for dragging it up again but I was a little bemused at the outcome of this thread and would just like some clarification.
Since all the real reasons for not having avatars turned out to be rubbish, is the sole reason they will not be implemented simply due to the fact that the moderators don't like them and is this how normal public forums often work?
Just wondering because in other forums that I have seen if something like this is suggested, then a general poll is taken to gauge all users opinions on the matter.
Avatars are easy to implement, in fact no more difficult than having a personal profile which is readily available to all reg users. If they are in use those who don't like them don't have to use them.
Sorry for dragging it up again but I was a little bemused at the outcome of this thread and would just like some clarification.
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by Oli on Sat May 24, 2003 7:31 pm
If you want to post an image, then you're more than welcome, as long as you don't overstep the guidelines (nothing too big, either in filesize or physical dimensions).
You could put an AV in your signature, or in your profile.
I simply don't see what they could bring to any messages on the board, and as such, I won't be implementing them on the messageboards.
You could put an AV in your signature, or in your profile.
I simply don't see what they could bring to any messages on the board, and as such, I won't be implementing them on the messageboards.
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Re:
by vegetation for the masses on Sat May 24, 2003 8:02 pm
I missed the boat on this, so just felt like posting for a bit of fun...;-
finally, i promise VERY fast and VERY friendly service! happy shopping!
perhaps if you want to sell your books you should try being a little less controversial. If you know more on the subject than most ppl here do, as you claimed, then why are you stirring it up?? It's not to enlighten us because you won't tell us- just to let us know that you know something we don't.
ps if you're so upset about the lengths that site went to, you might consider not physically threatening other students. grow up.
yeah, that felt good :-s
finally, i promise VERY fast and VERY friendly service! happy shopping!
perhaps if you want to sell your books you should try being a little less controversial. If you know more on the subject than most ppl here do, as you claimed, then why are you stirring it up?? It's not to enlighten us because you won't tell us- just to let us know that you know something we don't.
ps if you're so upset about the lengths that site went to, you might consider not physically threatening other students. grow up.
yeah, that felt good :-s
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Re:
by James Baster on Sun May 25, 2003 3:27 am
Here I will answer the points raised in both this thread and the other one in which this is discussed.
Firstly your previous message was not posted becuase you simply wrote "Why are we not getting avatars then?" and if you had taken to time to read this thread you would see posts from both me and Oli stating our reasons why we dont like them. And thats the crux of the matter.
Its nothing to do with implementation - me and Oli, administrators of the site have looked at the issue and decided for The Sinner its not a good thing, after a long debate on this thread. As for whether this should be a democray or whether me or Oli should get the final word, I will come back to that, but first, some points that I feel have yet to be answered :-
[s]Unregisted User disgruntled wrote on 18:46, 24th May 2003:
[s]James Baster wrote on 18:15, 24th May 2003:
We dont need an inbetweener. We have MB's, we have articles, why try to blur the two together?
Because few people actually read the articles, and certainly don't check them on a regular basis.
That's their problem. They are featured prominently on the front page. If people dont read them, (Oli may decide this is an issue and do something about it) the solution is not to bring the article content to the MB's by Sticky threads. The solution is to try to make the articles more odvious - maybe setting a small box in the side of the page, for example, like the Poll and Calendar boxes.
I wrote this myself because I knew of no website with all these features (notice how all bits of this site are interlinked, its not just MB's)
You can't be serious with this one,
No, I really am, althought maybe to be fair I didn't look that hard.
Even if you really believe this, you must realise that the boards are the focal point og this site, many don't look at the other areas.
And thats not something I want to encourage. There are many sections to this site. I appreciate MB's are by far most popular but ...
Just because these things are introduced doesn't mean everyone will use them but it does give the choice of being able to use them.
You miss the problem. Avators are a wonderful example. Yes, not everyone will choose to use them :- but everyone will have to suffer them. (Bandwidth, etc) I like choice to, but sometimes that choice effects everyone aversely. So noone gets it.
Next ...
[s]andyefc wrote on 23:00, 24th May 2003:
For example, on this bored the only way users can show their personalities and make themselves different is by there username or sig. Thats it!! 2 things?!?!? In any of the other boards you can personalise far more!
Call me old fashioned, but I like to think people can express there personality and make themselves stand out from others by what they write in there messages.
But you should try and implement a proper forums onto the site, and if you are going to say its too hard to match up with the code....then install phpnuke or summit like that and the forums will link up nicely!
No, they wont link up nicely. Notice the MB thread on the bottom of each article? Notice the admins checking unreg messages? I haven't even seen a MB before that allows Unreg and Reg users to post side by side.
But anyway, now we get to the main issue here, and I apologise, but I am going to Rant here. slightly. Or not so slightly.
[s]Unregisted User disgruntled wrote on 18:46, 24th May 2003:
Thats why its a PUBLIC message board. Don't get me wrong, I like these boards and for a simple design they're fine. But to refuse to consider putting in simple things like avatars and sticky threads based solely on your own opinion (you being the mod) it stinks and is ever so slightly unfair.
Let me tell you what I have to deal with. Lawsuits, Techincal Support, Solving arguments, Approving messages - quite frankly, I dont think many people here realise exactly how much work I put into this. I check at least twice a day, and thats just to keep it ticking over. When something happens its far more work.
I think people also have to appreciate that also without this one person system, The Sinner would not be where it is today. I acccept all the responsibilitys for everything here. A committee system would not work - things would change a lot each year with each new committee, decisons would take ages to be made. I did actually consider trying to sell The Sinner to the union as a new Super-Society, but quite frankly I dont have enought faith in student committees. Plus that would make The Sinner subject to student politics. And that would suck.
Now, I try to follow the wishes of the community. Notice in the avator thread how long it is before both me and Oli weight in with our opinions. Also please notice that on the issues of Avators, the community is by no means in agreement. But there comes times when I have to step in and make a final decision, for what I think is going to be the good of the community. Also quite frankly, after 3 years of hard work and stress I think I have earned the right to throw my weight around on occasion.
And thats the way The Sinner is. Yes, its a PUBLIC messageboard in that anyone can post. But its not a PUBLIC website.Its MY website. Now, I am not unfair. I have reasons for eveything I do, and I will explain them if asked. I have explained my reasons for not liking avatars. I will listen to peoples opinions, but in the end the final decision is Mine. Next year will be the same :- Oli will listen to all gladly, but in the end the final decision is His, and His alone. And thats the way its going to be for a long time.
There. I havent written something this long since the whole John Bowker & The Saint Editorial Field-Day, and I sincerly hope this doesnt spark as much of a debate as that, primarily becasue I havent got the time or the inclination. So I wont be replying to anything more on this thread unless I think it really needs it.
Firstly your previous message was not posted becuase you simply wrote "Why are we not getting avatars then?" and if you had taken to time to read this thread you would see posts from both me and Oli stating our reasons why we dont like them. And thats the crux of the matter.
Its nothing to do with implementation - me and Oli, administrators of the site have looked at the issue and decided for The Sinner its not a good thing, after a long debate on this thread. As for whether this should be a democray or whether me or Oli should get the final word, I will come back to that, but first, some points that I feel have yet to be answered :-
[s]Unregisted User disgruntled wrote on 18:46, 24th May 2003:
[s]James Baster wrote on 18:15, 24th May 2003:
We dont need an inbetweener. We have MB's, we have articles, why try to blur the two together?
Because few people actually read the articles, and certainly don't check them on a regular basis.
That's their problem. They are featured prominently on the front page. If people dont read them, (Oli may decide this is an issue and do something about it) the solution is not to bring the article content to the MB's by Sticky threads. The solution is to try to make the articles more odvious - maybe setting a small box in the side of the page, for example, like the Poll and Calendar boxes.
I wrote this myself because I knew of no website with all these features (notice how all bits of this site are interlinked, its not just MB's)
You can't be serious with this one,
No, I really am, althought maybe to be fair I didn't look that hard.
Even if you really believe this, you must realise that the boards are the focal point og this site, many don't look at the other areas.
And thats not something I want to encourage. There are many sections to this site. I appreciate MB's are by far most popular but ...
Just because these things are introduced doesn't mean everyone will use them but it does give the choice of being able to use them.
You miss the problem. Avators are a wonderful example. Yes, not everyone will choose to use them :- but everyone will have to suffer them. (Bandwidth, etc) I like choice to, but sometimes that choice effects everyone aversely. So noone gets it.
Next ...
[s]andyefc wrote on 23:00, 24th May 2003:
For example, on this bored the only way users can show their personalities and make themselves different is by there username or sig. Thats it!! 2 things?!?!? In any of the other boards you can personalise far more!
Call me old fashioned, but I like to think people can express there personality and make themselves stand out from others by what they write in there messages.
But you should try and implement a proper forums onto the site, and if you are going to say its too hard to match up with the code....then install phpnuke or summit like that and the forums will link up nicely!
No, they wont link up nicely. Notice the MB thread on the bottom of each article? Notice the admins checking unreg messages? I haven't even seen a MB before that allows Unreg and Reg users to post side by side.
But anyway, now we get to the main issue here, and I apologise, but I am going to Rant here. slightly. Or not so slightly.
[s]Unregisted User disgruntled wrote on 18:46, 24th May 2003:
Thats why its a PUBLIC message board. Don't get me wrong, I like these boards and for a simple design they're fine. But to refuse to consider putting in simple things like avatars and sticky threads based solely on your own opinion (you being the mod) it stinks and is ever so slightly unfair.
Let me tell you what I have to deal with. Lawsuits, Techincal Support, Solving arguments, Approving messages - quite frankly, I dont think many people here realise exactly how much work I put into this. I check at least twice a day, and thats just to keep it ticking over. When something happens its far more work.
I think people also have to appreciate that also without this one person system, The Sinner would not be where it is today. I acccept all the responsibilitys for everything here. A committee system would not work - things would change a lot each year with each new committee, decisons would take ages to be made. I did actually consider trying to sell The Sinner to the union as a new Super-Society, but quite frankly I dont have enought faith in student committees. Plus that would make The Sinner subject to student politics. And that would suck.
Now, I try to follow the wishes of the community. Notice in the avator thread how long it is before both me and Oli weight in with our opinions. Also please notice that on the issues of Avators, the community is by no means in agreement. But there comes times when I have to step in and make a final decision, for what I think is going to be the good of the community. Also quite frankly, after 3 years of hard work and stress I think I have earned the right to throw my weight around on occasion.
And thats the way The Sinner is. Yes, its a PUBLIC messageboard in that anyone can post. But its not a PUBLIC website.Its MY website. Now, I am not unfair. I have reasons for eveything I do, and I will explain them if asked. I have explained my reasons for not liking avatars. I will listen to peoples opinions, but in the end the final decision is Mine. Next year will be the same :- Oli will listen to all gladly, but in the end the final decision is His, and His alone. And thats the way its going to be for a long time.
There. I havent written something this long since the whole John Bowker & The Saint Editorial Field-Day, and I sincerly hope this doesnt spark as much of a debate as that, primarily becasue I havent got the time or the inclination. So I wont be replying to anything more on this thread unless I think it really needs it.
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Re:
by niall on Sun May 25, 2003 9:28 am
picking up on something you said james, about articles at the side of the page, what about if there is an important thread (or article) it will appear stickied in a box on the side, but wont appear stickied on the main board?
best of both worlds eh?
[hr]do you have a tastyspoon?
http://www.tastyspoon.com/forum
best of both worlds eh?
[hr]do you have a tastyspoon?
http://www.tastyspoon.com/forum
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Re:
by Oli on Sun May 25, 2003 12:39 pm
The issue of people not reading or noticing the articles is something that I will address - perhaps a more regular turnover of articles will attract more attention to that section.
On avatars, as I stated above, there is an option to place an image in your signature. There is no need to implement avatars, and the Sinner certainly doesn't suffer through lack of avatars.
I agree with James that people's personality and feelings could be expressed through what they write - but if someone chooses to write something that is slightly different from the rest of their posts, there are smillies to add to each message. Perhaps we could do with a few extra ones?
As James points out, there are more things to deal with when running the Sinner than simply writing the code and making the site work.
Everyone who uses the Sinner is part of the Sinner community, and I will be prepared to listen to any suggestions people may have regarding the running or design of the site. I will try to please the majority of users, but as I'm sure everyone understands, there are times when my decisions won't please everyone.
On avatars, as I stated above, there is an option to place an image in your signature. There is no need to implement avatars, and the Sinner certainly doesn't suffer through lack of avatars.
I agree with James that people's personality and feelings could be expressed through what they write - but if someone chooses to write something that is slightly different from the rest of their posts, there are smillies to add to each message. Perhaps we could do with a few extra ones?
As James points out, there are more things to deal with when running the Sinner than simply writing the code and making the site work.
Everyone who uses the Sinner is part of the Sinner community, and I will be prepared to listen to any suggestions people may have regarding the running or design of the site. I will try to please the majority of users, but as I'm sure everyone understands, there are times when my decisions won't please everyone.
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Re:
by Pussycat on Sun May 25, 2003 12:53 pm
I was just wondering if one of you two could answer a question? Why is it that to be a reg user you have to have a St Andrews e-mail account?
I know this site is primarily for us students to use but there are a lot of regular posters who are either potential students here or who just like posting on these boards. It's just a bit confusing in the threads that have a lot of reponses from un-reg users when their posts come along after the arguement/discussion has moved on and as such there post may now be redundant.
I'm just curious (being the pussycat I am ) cos many other sites are aimed at a specific group of people but they are equally open to randoms.
If the arguement is that it might attract eejits (ie madras students, lol) then look at pine_wood for example.
Like I said, just curious
I know this site is primarily for us students to use but there are a lot of regular posters who are either potential students here or who just like posting on these boards. It's just a bit confusing in the threads that have a lot of reponses from un-reg users when their posts come along after the arguement/discussion has moved on and as such there post may now be redundant.
I'm just curious (being the pussycat I am
) cos many other sites are aimed at a specific group of people but they are equally open to randoms.
If the arguement is that it might attract eejits (ie madras students, lol) then look at pine_wood for example.
Like I said, just curious
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