macgamer wrote:Personally I think that committing an offence which results in a prison sentence is one which is serious enough to warrant the exclusion of the offender from society. Suffrage is a civil right, not a human right, it is given to citizens of a country or state, rather than the whole humanity.
Sinner thoughts?
Haunted wrote:I do not think that individuals who are clearly mentally deranged, socio or psychopathic have the capacity to vote.
wild_quinine wrote:Another goose-step towards total democracy.
Haunted wrote:I'm not sure I follow. Do you not think mental illnesses/conditions exist?
Haunted wrote:wild_quinine wrote:Another goose-step towards total democracy.
I'm not sure I follow. Do you not think mental illnesses/conditions exist?
Haunted wrote:the archetypal nut who thinks he's Napoleon does not have mental faculty to make an informed choice on the ballot paper.
jollytiddlywink wrote:I do not know exactly what the law currently states about depriving prisoners of voting rights, but I do know that prisoners have, by definition, been deprived of their freedom by process of law.
LonelyPilgrim wrote:Criminals have their votes taken away as a punishment.
LonelyPilgrim wrote:A bit odd to our modern day and age when people undervalue the privilege of voting, but once upon a time being able to vote is what marked someone as a citizen, ie. as being fully human. Being in a condition of bondage, whether as a prisoner or as a slave, was to be in a way a non-human, and taking away the vote was part of that.
LonelyPilgrim wrote:I really don't think there's a slippery slope here, gentlemen. If there was, our two great democracies would have slid down it long-hence. And I say that as a slippery slope lover.
RedCelt69 wrote:Is incarceration a punishment against the criminal, or a protection for their potential victims?
Which time are you referring to? And in which country?
Our two great democracies? You mean the USA and the UK?
jollytiddlywink wrote:Redcelt, yes, nobody in the UK voted for this government in particular, but that doesn't make it undemocratic. Its made up of MPs elected by the people.
wild_quinine wrote:OK, let's take this debate back to base principles.
Why would you take the vote from prisoners? What on earth makes that a good idea?
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