G13 wrote:For the sake of my psychological health, I'm unable to engage with much of what mcgamer writes. That doesn't mean that I'm willfully ignoring it or that I don't disagree with it, though.
G13 wrote:"Man-slut" and "man-whore"? That implies that "slut" and "whore" are coded female properties, with the man- added as a necessary clarification. No thank you.
G13 wrote:Responding to mcgamer's mention of sex, porn and art, I really don't believe that sex is something that can or has to be separated from everything else in life in its own little box. I think that something could easily be both artistic and sexual and that the degrees of those things depend on the perceiver; and I don't think there's anything wrong with the art or with me. But then, I don't think there's anything wrong with sex.
G13 wrote:I don't think there's any real grounds for claiming that men are more visually stimulated than women, and how could any of us personally know, as we are only ourselves and not anyone else? Sure, the world of sexual visual representation is man-dominated, but it's perfectly possible that that's the case because women are believed to be not that interested in sex or aren't supposed to like it, so why would anyone create things for them? And much of the visual stuff that exists is aimed at a man-audience (not necessarily what any individual man likes, or men actually like, but the idea of what men are supposed to like), and honestly, the vast majority of it just isn't remotely appealing to the vast majority of women. Bad material, not lack of interest.
G13 wrote:Macgamer, I apologise for my consistent misspelling of your name; it wasn't deliberate, and I should have paid more attention.
macgamer wrote:G13 wrote:For the sake of my psychological health, I'm unable to engage with much of what mcgamer writes. That doesn't mean that I'm willfully ignoring it or that I don't disagree with it, though.
I seem to have that effect on people using The Sinner. A more interesting question would be why this is so.
macgamer wrote:I'm not a psychologist, but I'm fairly sure I remember reading about studies on comparisons between the importance of visual stimuli. So instead one could consider aspects of sexual selection. It is in the interest of males to mate with as many females as possible judging them on secondary sexual characteristics / traits for 'fitness'. Females have far fewer gametes and their resource investment is far greater than the male's. Selecting the right male is even more important. Visual traits can be deceiving, so the female will have to judge which trait is an 'honest' indicator of male fitness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_genes_hypothesis
RedCelt69 wrote:I view feminism the same way as I view masculinism.
Senethro wrote:RedCelt69 wrote:I view feminism the same way as I view masculinism.
it is acceptable for a historically and currently underprivileged group to have more fervent and loud advocacy.
G13, the short reply is that I believe in equality. People who call themselves feminists aren't into equality. Or they are, but they've attached themselves to the wrong grouping.
Senethro wrote:Do you want to even try to think how a man making a statement that feminists do not believe in equality or that if they do, they shouldn't call themselves feminists might be a bad thing?
G13 wrote:You don't know what feminism is, and Your Doin It Rong!!
macgamer wrote:Once again you have picked certain sentences that I wrote and used them to say what you want them to. Note that I said:macgamer wrote:However, this [women's appearence] should have no bearing in the judgement of a man in the case of rape.
G13 wrote:Oh, and saying that rape isn't about lust but continuing to talk about "provocative" clothing is clearly contradictory.
macgamer wrote:that was a bit catty even by your standards, but I love you too JTW.
jollytiddlywink wrote:I still don't follow your claim to be pro-equality but anti-feminist. I haven't met anyone who told me they were a feminist who wanted to ignore men's rights, any more than gay rights campaigners want to lock up all the straights in huge camps, where they will not be allowed to wear pink triangles.
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