munchingfoo wrote:If you point a gun at anyone, or even just something that looks like a gun having claimed it to be one, then you should expect to be in a body bag in the following couple of seconds.
RedCelt69 wrote:As for the bigger picture, I put it down to a lack of respect for authority. Whether "authority" deserves respect (at the moment) is a question worth asking.
'The Immaculate Conception of our Lord Jesus Christ took place a long time ago, and it didn’t happen here in Philadelphia. So every one of these kids has two parents who were around and participating at the time. They need to be around now.
'If you’re just hanging out out there, maybe you’re sending them a check or bringing some cash by. That’s not being a father. You’re just a human ATM. … And if you’re not providing the guidance and you’re not sending any money, you’re just a sperm donor.'
Penny Red wrote:As I write, the looting and arson attacks have spread to at least fifty different areas across the UK, including dozens in London, and communities are now turning on each other, with the Guardian reporting on rival gangs forming battle lines. It has become clear to the disenfranchised young people of Britain
Hennessy wrote:Currys looked like a fortress.
Haunted wrote:http://pennyred.blogspot.com/2011/08/panic-on-streets-of-london.html
Violence is rarely mindless. The politics of a burning building, a smashed-in shop or a young man shot by police may be obscured even to those who lit the rags or fired the gun, but the politics are there
Already, the internet is teeming with racist vitriol and wild speculation
Riots are about power, and they are about catharsis.
Noone expected this.
In areas like mine, we know that 59% of black Caribbean children are looked after by a lone parent. There is none of the basic starting presumption of two adults who want to start a family, raise children together, love them, nourish them and lead them to full independence. The parents are not married and the child has come, frankly, out of casual sex; the father isn't present, and isn't expected to be. There aren't the networks of extended families to make up for it. We are seeing huge consequences of the lack of male role models in young men's lives, there are virtually no male teachers in primary schools.
Responsibility has been taken away from parents. People here will call social services if they hear you disciplining your children. Children hear about Childline at school. It's all very well trying to be liberal, but parents need to be given back their right to parent.
macgamer wrote:If I think back to my childhood, if I misbehaved I was punished. If I was insolent, I was put in my place and shown, one way or another, who the authority figure was. I was not permitted to go out after dark (that is again after arrive home from school) until I was 16. These children roving around the streets have no reason to be out.
macgamer wrote:My parents' generation had more respect for figures of authority, not just teachers and their parents, but more generally their elders. My parents said that if they misbehaved at school and their parents heard or were informed, they were punished a second time at home. They parents would not take their part, but let them face the consequences at school. How times have changed.
RedCelt69 wrote:paedophile-protectorate
RedCelt69 wrote:"respect your elders and betters"
macgamer wrote:RedCelt69 wrote:paedophile-protectorate
*YAWN*
macgamer wrote:Although 'one's better', now that is very old fashioned and hardly in keeping with socialist class struggle surely?
RedCelt69 wrote:Are you yawning at their actions, yawning at the suffering of all of those children... or just yawning at the fact that someone's mentioned it? If you pretend that bad things didn't happen, it doesn't mean that they didn't.
The rioters... who, exactly, should they respect?
The word "better" is a very open one and can mean many things. My preferred rendering is "morally better", but... hey ho. Why are you demeaning something as being "old fashioned"? Your moral compass is Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274). Why mention a socialist class struggle? Are you outing yourself as a socialist, now? As I've said before, I'm not a socialist and I also don't buy into the class meme. So... good point, well made.
RedCelt69 wrote:I'm surprised to find a Telegraph writer agreeing with me. It was stomach-churning watching Cameron talk about the lack of morality of the feral youth considering the company he was in - including himself.
The moral decay of our society is as bad at the top as the bottom
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