The end for Tony?

[Jonny_G]

This week is potentially the most damaging week in the career of Tony Blair. With a vote on top-up fees on Tuesday and Hutton reporting on Wednesday, we could see a dramatic change in British politics.

If Blair loses the vote on top up fees he will have to resign or call a vote of confidence (which he would win but weaken him greatly). If Hutton attributes responsibility to him for the naming of Dr. Kelly he will have to resign.

I predicted in March last year that Blair wouldn't make it to the next general election because of the Iraq war. Although my reasoning may have been wrong, I think we may have another Prime Minister in two weeks time.

I would be glad to see him go, i was a big supporter of his until the war, now i wouldn't trust him for a second. Just think, we could be shot of Blair and Bush by the end of the year! : )

[Grahame-KnifeU-Case]

if tony goes i'll be more than happy, hes ruined this country, we needed several billion to be spent on education, health and transport, and he goes spending it on a pointless and foundationless war... TWAT


Grahame 'KnifeU' Case

Karaoke King

[Chaucer]

Do you know the actual figures he did or didn't spend on education, health etc. Whilst I agree it was a pointless war, I suspect your comments may be unfounded and insubstantial. People are too quick to judge without knowing the facts.

Elaborate on your statement and show us you understand his politcs so we know you're not just jumping on the wagon.

[Grahame-KnifeU-Case]

[s]Chaucer wrote on 17:53, 25th Jan 2004:
Do you know the actual figures he did or didn't spend on education, health etc. Whilst I agree it was a pointless war, I suspect your comments may be unfounded and insubstantial. People are too quick to judge without knowing the facts.

Elaborate on your statement and show us you understand his politcs so we know you're not just jumping on the wagon.


the exact figures escape me at the moment, but i did hear this on panorama a while back, as well as on newsnight.



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Grahame 'KnifeU' Case

Karaoke King

[Chaucer]

Exactly! Second hand information...in the wrong hands!

[Ga]

All information is secondhand... at least. It is a matter if you trust the source or not which, with anything political, clowds the real story greatly.


[hr]If everything in life had a point, life would be pointless

[Anon.]

What was wrong with the war? At least it stopped Blair from messing about with the constitution any more than he already has, the vandal.

[hr]"A Prime Minister is of all men bound to follow the traditions of his country, or, when he leaves them, to leave them with very gradual steps."
~Anthony Trollope, "The Prime Minister"

[Haunted]

It is so fashionable to take a shot at Tony these days, the fact is the man is doing the best dam job he knows how. Top up fees for university is enivitable, there really is no way around it and we should be thankful hes capping them at £3000 and throwing in all these bursaries and grants as well. Furthermore i think they way they are to be paid is far better to the student than the current up front system.
As for the war I completely agree the case was a shambles but I also knew that getting rid of saddam is going to make the world just that little but better off. In the long run Iraq will eventually become a prosperous and modern nation.

The one i do fear is if Tony doesnt make the next general election, the alternatives for pm are just terrible and thats just within the labour party. God help us all if the conservatives or, even worse, the lib dems win.

As for Bush, yeah fuck him

[Mr Comedy]

You know, as much as I dislike Tony (and his party for that matter) I think he is canny enough to ride out this particular storm.

[mia_bt]

Dont know why everyone has turned against Tony Blair, hes a decent, nice guy! If everyone just gave him a chance and let him do is job instead of moaning at every chance they get mabye he'd get more done!!!!

[Kibet]

If this is Tony doing the best job he knows, then obviously it is his time to leave. As a quote fron Seen Canary's character in the rock "Losers always whine about doing their best......."

[s]Haunted wrote on 01:45, 26th Jan 2004:
Top up fees for university is enivitable, there really is no way around it and we should be thankful hes capping them at £3000 and throwing in all these bursaries and grants as well.

Yes, lets thank him for capping them at £3000. I'm sure 5 years or so back, people were saying "let's thank him for capping them at £1000". And when the next amount comes of say £5000 then lets thank him, or whoever it is, for capping them again.

As for the war I completely agree the case was a shambles but I also knew that getting rid of saddam is going to make the world just that little but better off. In the long run Iraq will eventually become a prosperous and modern nation.

And if Saddam had not been put in power and armed to the teeth by a "modern nation" then there would not of been a war.

The one i do fear is if Tony doesnt make the next general election, the alternatives for pm are just terrible and thats just within the labour party. God help us all if the conservatives or, even worse, the lib dems win.


We elect our local MP as they have balls enough to pursue what is in our best interest. When they become PM they get castrated or something and does not do what is in our best interest. If they are going to do something then just tell us the truth.

[KateBush]

I'd love to see Tony booted out. he's caused nothing but trouble. Kateb

[mossop]

Where's Pilmour Boy when you need him??

Hahahaha

[Rex Mundi]

[s]mia_bt wrote on 02:16, 26th Jan 2004:
Dont know why everyone has turned against Tony Blair, hes a decent, nice guy! If everyone just gave him a chance and let him do is job instead of moaning at every chance they get mabye he'd get more done!!!!


I'm saddened that people still think that. Not one of us really knows what kind of person he is. He, like many other well known people, merely projects the persona that will make him as popular as possible. So lets not let ourselves get fooled into believing he's "Mr Nice and Decent Guy who is just so hard done by" when hes much more likely to be "Mr Hardened and Seasoned Politician who wants to hold on to power".

Secondly, everyone has given him a chance. Infact he's been given 2 chances. While people may "moan" we haven't stopped him doing what he wants in parliament for 6yrs. Hes had ample oppertunity to make improvements, and a huge unopposed majority to make those improvements with. So forgive me for thinking he's been a bit of a failiure, when with almost absolute power he seems to have achieved very little.

[PurelySynthetic]

Argh this is where politics really piss me off. You complain so much about Blair. Fine. But will you actually stop complaining if he gets kicked outta power? Em i think not. The next primeminister will get the same bullshit. You'll never be happy. Only way to really change it is get ur ass in gear, become a politician, etc etc, until youre there becoming the next prime minister for everyone else to bitch about. Is it fair to rubbish someones opinion just because you dont agree with it?

[Prophet Tenebrae]

Maybe they're a Sun reader?

[hopie]

tonys safe
if the hutton report is bad and someone has to go the defence secretary goes - if he loses the tuition fee vote and someone has to go the education secretary goes
despite the fact hes running all the departments the departments get the blame if it goes wrong

[oh my god :(]

[s]PurelySynthetic wrote on 17:07, 26th Jan 2004:
Argh this is where politics really piss me off. You complain so much about Blair. Fine. But will you actually stop complaining if he gets kicked outta power? Em i think not. The next primeminister will get the same bullshit. You'll never be happy. Only way to really change it is get ur ass in gear, become a politician, etc etc, until youre there becoming the next prime minister for everyone else to bitch about. Is it fair to rubbish someones opinion just because you dont agree with it?


Hruh? Isn't that exactly what you're doing? Of course the prime minister and leading party is going to get hassle, hence the usefullness of an opposition party - if you just sit back and let the prime minister get on with things then after a while the power will go to their head as it always does and they'l start introducing stuff right left cand centre. I'm sure George Bush wprks really hard ay his job but he has made a lot of mistakes, as did Clinton as did and so on. Same goes for Blair, Major and Thatcher - they've all done good things and they've all done bad things. Oh but I'm sure they're trying the best so heaven forbid we complain and voice our own opinions.

So is it fair to rubbish someone's opinion? Not if they aremn't in charge of the country no. But if they are then I for one would like them to know when people are not happy with what they are doing. I hardly think it is beneficial to slag off people for having an opinion like you have done or take the high and mighty approach by suggesting they read a tabloid like someone else did. Grow up. Laughing at someone for reading a tabloid is like laughing at people that like reading comic strips.

When it comes to Prime Ministers, and for that matter the leading party, a change is as good as anything because after so many years in office they all mutate into the same thing. And as for the post I quoted, sometimes I wonder if this is a board for high school students who don't have a clue about how the world works, I really do.

[PurelySynthetic]

Hmmm surely bitching about somoenes political views on a message board is something that someone not actually wanting to bother to make a difference would do. If you actually gave a damn why not do something about it. This is a message board - im pretty sure Mr Blair or Mr Bush or whoever else you bother to bitch about is really going to give a damn about someone who wont get off their ass to do anything except use a university msg board. Its actually really funny reading these things and reading the reactions sometimes. Do you really think anything you say is changing anything? If you want change make a bloody effort and do something to get it. Otherwise youre just joining the ranks of a msg board that one minute talks about politics and the next talks about porn.

[Anon.]

[s]mia_bt wrote on 02:16, 26th Jan 2004:
Dont know why everyone has turned against Tony Blair, hes a decent, nice guy!

Oh, I believe that he's doing his best to do what he thinks is right. I also believe that what he thinks is right is wrong.