Quoting Kizzy from 13:42, 23rd Nov 2006
The interesting thing for me about this whole rant is that IV debating is seen as dull.
Speaking as someone for whom the senior schools comp was their hundredth competitive (IV style) debating competition, I can agree, that there is nothing more mind-numbingly tedious than speeches that begin 'madame chair, ladies and gentlemen, I have three points to make today, but first some rebuttal', especially when the intro is followed by bad points. But this isn't all there is to an IV speech - it simply signifies a mediocre one.
A speech that will bring in marks of anything over 80(ish) at an IV will be persuasive, and deal in facts, which are analysed to their fullest extent, in an interesting and original manner, and even the occasional bit of humour thrown in for added fun.
Pretty much what you're looking for in an LPH speech, as far as I can gather from this thread. And we certainly have perceived 'IV' speakers in the society who are capable of making such speeches.
Perhaps it's not the prominence of IV speakers that causes the problem, but the assumption that all IV style debating is as dull as bad IV debating - something which is simply untrue. Having watched a number of top notch IV speakers - both in LPH and in finals around the UK, I think it would be both unfair and inaccurate to assume it's all as bad as people perceive it is.
Now, back to the schools debating, in which sometimes hearing a formulaic introduction like that makes my heart leap with joy...
I agree with Kizzy.
But also, if you dont like the way the society is run or you want different motions etc why dont you go allong to the Board meeting.
Secondly there were motions forums where people could suggest motions for the society to debate. There will, I believe, be another such forum for second semester. Go input. Make constructive criticism.
IV debating is not for all. I rather enjoy it and it has helped me greatly to grow as a human being. I also like to think (though some one can always tell me I'm wrong) that I am capable of entertaining in the house and makeing people laugh. But then again (and Kizzy will back me up here) I'm not a great IV speaker, but I enjoy it and have gained a lot out of it. It takes all sorts.
If you are worried that people with more of an IV bent are participanting to much (many who are not on the Board go every week) then maybe those who dont participate at all or much in IV debates should participate more in LPH.
Of course on a motion of public importance you could always try and ban IV speakers from speaking at the table. Then you could ensure that those who are kind enough, from the IV side, to jump in and prevent some debates with otherwise exciting outside speakers from being canceled, cant help in future. I mean; how dare they be boring when they have tried their best at the last minute.
Oh and when you picked up on the 'Your LPH' comment. Your posts dont seem to want to make the IV squad very welcome. So perhaps that statment is legitamate. Lets share children. Its everones society and it is ONE society and most of the IV squad chose to participate in LPH because they see its value. Which is GREAT.
As for the drinking thing, I think your being very very silly.