Intervarsity Success!

[Unknown]

Actually, I care about it. Thus, does this mean, as is the correct form on an Inter'Varsity (or is that Intervarsity) thread, that your point falls?

In which case, wouldn't you put a space between Inter and 'Varsity?

[kdc4]

Here's a copy of the two bits of mail that talk about the rankings.

Interested parties can also subscribe to the britishdebate.com mailing list to get instant results, which are in a form slightly less messy than this!

The first bit of mail shows our current rank compared with last month while the second shows our score at this point last year.

St. Andrews has improved for 74.5 to 206.5, and its rank has changed from 16th to 3rd.

Part of this is due to sending more teams to more competitions, but a good deal is due to a higher success rate at competitions this year versus last.

Cheers,
-Doug


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Below are the rankings following the Cork and KCL IVs, I can't include Lancaster unless someone sends me a tab with the teams that speakers are from. Cambridge hold onto a narrow lead over Oxford, St.Andrews return to 3rd place and UCD jump from 10th to 6th and Middle Temple jump from 12th to 8th. The fastest climbers are Inner Temple, who weren't ranked two weeks ago, but now rank 13th having topped tab and reached the final at KCL.

Jonathan

University Debating Rankings 06/12/06 - After 12 Events

1 1 Cambridge 381.8 2 2 Oxford 372.8 3 4 St. Andrews 206.5 4 5 TCD 193.3 5 3 Yale 170.5 6 10 UCD 151.8 7 8 LSE 147.3 8 12 Middle Temple 135.3 9 6 Durham 133.5 10 7 UCC 126.0 11 9 KCL 110.0 12 11 Manchester 93.5 13 38 Inner Temple 61.0 14 14 Glasgow 55.5 15 13 Stanford 51.8 16 15 UCL 48.8 17 18 King's Inn 48.5 18 28 Bristol 40.3 19 16 Leeds 36.5 20 17 Edinburgh 35.5 21 31 BPP 35.3 22 19 UBC 32.0 23 20 Harvard 30.5 24 32 Warwick 27.5 25 21 Dundee 26.5 26 22 NUIG 26.0 27 23 Hart House 22.5 28 30 Queen Mary's 22.0 29 24 Birmingham 20.0 30 25 Newcastle 19.5 31 26 Berlin 18.5 32 27 McGill 17.5 33 29 Tilbury House 16.5 34 39 Imperial 13.5 35 33 Gray's
Inn 13.0 36 34 Aberdeen 11.5 37 35 Chicago 11.0 38 36 Bates 9.5 39 37 Helsinki 9.0 40 40 Tilburg 6.0 41 41 Princeton 6.0 42 42 Portland 5.0 43 43 Carleton 3.5 44 44 Strathclyde 2.0 45 45 Nottingham 1.0 46 46 Hobart & William Smith 1.0 47 Lincoln's Inn 0.5













Below, for interest, are the rankings for this point LAST YEAR. These are NOT the current rankings. The second number for each institution gives there current ranking in the current rankings for comparison. And of course, now that i've done them, I realise there is a great ulterior motive, for the institution with the most improved performance so far between the 2005/6 and 2006/7 is...KCL (40th in 2005, 11th now). Right, my spare few minutes are now up, I can go back to getting on with things that...you know...matter.

Jonathan

Archive - University Debating Rankings 06/12/2005

1 2 Oxford 244.0 2 1 Cambridge 202.5 3 7 LSE 161.0 4 9 Durham 140.5 5 (48*) Syndney 128.5 6 14 Glasgow 118.5 7 27 Hart House 114.5 8 18 Bristol 104.0 9 6 UCD 103.8 10 (16**) Goodenough 100.0 11 5 Yale 96.0 12 21 BPP 91.5 13 4 TCD 88.5 14 38 Bates College 85.0 15 10 UCC 75.5 16 3 St. Andrews 74.5 17 8 Middle Temple 72.5 18 12 Manchester 68.0 19 17 Kings Inn 63.0 20 19 Leeds 45.0 21 13 Inner Temple 44.0 22 16 UCL 43.5 23 45 Nottingham 39.5 24 47 Lincoln's Inn 37.5 25 31 Berlin 28.0 26 (48*) UWE 27.5 27 28 Queen Mary's 27.5 28 (48*) Colgate 23.0 29 (48*) City 20.0 30 25 Dundee 13.0 31 33 Tilbury House 12.5 32 (48*) Claremont 10.0 33
(48*) Royal Holloway 9.5 34 (48*) Toronto 9.0 35 36 Aberdeen 8.0 36 24 Warwick 7.0 37 20 Edinburgh 6.5 38 (48*) Trinity 6.0 39 34 Imperial 4.5 40 11 KCL 4.0 41 15 Stanford 2.0 42 30 Newcastle 2.0 43 23 Harvard 0.5

[Connie]

Just to further Doug's point about our improvement being due to the queality of our teams improving rather than us just sending more people, the league is based soley on the two most successful teams from each insitution at each IV, and the 4 more successful speakers. We could send the entire university, but our ranking wouldn't improve.
This just shows that St Andrews is now producing at least 2 teams who are capable of taking on the best universities in the UK, and not coming out of the fight too badly.
On a side note - do we know why Lancaster was not included. Maybe it was Cliffords SSDC agenda item 'Is Lancaster a real IV?'.
Anyone?

[kdc4]

Apparently, Lancaster's tab doesn't show which speaker belongs to which institution, thereby disallowing the scoring.

Cheers,
-Doug

Quoting connie from 12:22, 7th Dec 2006
Just to further Doug's point about our improvement being due to the queality of our teams improving rather than us just sending more people, the league is based soley on the two most successful teams from each insitution at each IV, and the 4 more successful speakers. We could send the entire university, but our ranking wouldn't improve.
This just shows that St Andrews is now producing at least 2 teams who are capable of taking on the best universities in the UK, and not coming out of the fight too badly.
On a side note - do we know why Lancaster was not included. Maybe it was Cliffords SSDC agenda item 'Is Lancaster a real IV?'.
Anyone?

[Connie]

What a load of nonsense. If he can be bothered looking up EVERY tab from EVERY IV you'd think it would be quite easy to look at the team tab to check where everyone was from.
Ah well, makes that 3rd place even more special.
But its still not quite as complicated as the crazy speaker rankings which were based on your average score weighted by how many tournaments you'd attended.

[mattina]

Quoting connie from 13:03, 7th Dec 2006
But its still not quite as complicated as the crazy speaker rankings which were based on your average score weighted by how many tournaments you'd attended.

If you don't mind my asking, did they actually do that?

[kdc4]

Quoting mattina from 20:36, 7th Dec 2006

Quoting connie from 13:03, 7th Dec 2006
But its still not quite as complicated as the crazy speaker rankings which were based on your average score weighted by how many tournaments you'd attended.

If you don't mind my asking, did they actually do that?

Basically, yes.

Debatechamber.com, an institution run by the Harvey-Smiths (debate legends of yesteryear) holds a yearly 'debate championship' whereby the top 100 individual speakers in Britain/Ireland at any given time are named.

Basically, they take your speaker points from each tournament, taking into account the number of tourneys that you've attended. You get bonus points for breaking, being top of tab, and best speaker in the final. I've no idea how they equate the 30 and 100 pt. scales.

They did it last year, Derek Lande won and 4 St. Andrews speakers made the top 100.

St. Andrews, I believe has ten people on the current list, which hasn't been updated since Durham.

Laura, I believe that you are 85th overall, in case you were curious.

Cheers,
-Doug

[Mr Comedy]

Ooh, the Harvey-Smiths run it? That's proper old school.

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"I am in no way interested in immortality, but only in the taste of tea. " -Lu Tung

[ChrisH]

Far more importantly is that so far I'm ahead of Rach! What a nice warm fuzzy feeling it provides to be on the list

[TC]

They have got my bloody name wrong again!!!!! For the last bloody time it is not "Tom Chan." On the other hand its great that we have ten speakers on the list!


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