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by H on Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:30 pm

OK, so Yngwie Malmsteen sucks. Yeah hes fast, but not musicality, no good writing. Paul Gilbert on the other hand, not only has he been in some great bands, and written some great music, he also kicks Yngwie's ass when it comes to speed...observe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzZj8jbxwIs

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by **Power Metal Dom** on Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:08 pm

Since Yngwie's global boom in popularity in the teething days of his self-acclaimed genre, neo-classical metal it's been SOOOO cool from then on to take the piss and says he's shit in comparison to [ name of some guitarist who isn't an arrogant twat ]. And I think it's right to say that Yngwie is a self-obsessed, egotistical, mindless speed orientated douche. But don't take it too far and say he "sucks" or does "no good writing" cos these just blatently aren't true.

Paul Gilbert is immense though I very much like his stuff...unlike Yngwie he's original in his approach to songs/techniques and I like that...especially the drill song

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by **angel_kohaku** on Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:40 pm

OMG he has 3 hands!!!

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by **Captain_Spanky** on Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting Power_Metal_Dom from 15:08, 3rd Dec 2006
But don't take it too far and say he "sucks" or does "no good writing" cos these just blatently aren't true.

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Actually I'd disagree and say that Yngwie is the ultimate example of terribly written, yet technically brilliant pieces. Which just goes to show that this sort of malarky is all subjective really. After all I think Marilyn Manson "writes good things".

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by **Power Metal Dom** on Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:22 pm

I'm tempted to agree but I think ultimate experiance of terribley written would imply a complete ignorance of musical theory or form but Yngwie does sit down and write out his music (from what I've seen/heard), composing various progressions, complex arpeggios/scales, etc. While it's easy to say he just mashes these at wanking speed from memory, I think (know?) he does sit down and does some "good writing".

It's become way too popular to flame Yngwie and neo-classical fanbois for being mindless speed lovers without any 'soul' or 'feel' for 'tr00' music. But Yngwie's had this since the beginning of time! Now DragonForce on the other hand....

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by **Captain_Spanky** on Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting Power_Metal_Dom from 15:22, 4th Dec 2006
I'm tempted to agree but I think ultimate experiance of terribley written would imply a complete ignorance of musical theory or form but Yngwie does sit down and write out his music (from what I've seen/heard), composing various progressions, complex arpeggios/scales, etc. While it's easy to say he just mashes these at wanking speed from memory, I think (know?) he does sit down and does some "good writing".

It's become way too popular to flame Yngwie and neo-classical fanbois for being mindless speed lovers without any 'soul' or 'feel' for 'tr00' music. But Yngwie's had this since the beginning of time! Now DragonForce on the other hand....

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Love Neo-Classical actually, just think Yngwie is kinda boring. Who else would you reccomend then?

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by **Power Metal Dom** on Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:13 pm

Erm as in a shredder/good guitarist? Or neo classical?

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by **Captain_Spanky** on Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting Power_Metal_Dom from 18:13, 4th Dec 2006
Erm as in a shredder/good guitarist? Or neo classical?

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Either, but would prefer Neo-Classical.

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by **David** on Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:28 pm

try Chris Impellitteri

by H on Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:18 pm

Neoclassical - the first band I would recommend to anyone would be symphony x, but I dont need to recommend them to you Jez do I?

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by **Matt Badger** on Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:28 pm

One song I've been listening to alot recently is 'Selkies The Endless Obsession' by Between The Buried And Me. It starts as a math/death metal song, has a Dire Straits breakdown in the middle and finishes with a fucking huge neo classical sweep picking wank fest. Recommended for those seeking hard technical rammage.

by **angel_kohaku** on Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:05 pm

To be honest... he looks silly. Yes it's pretty cool but if you have to get someone else to help you play... then you suck. A mon avis...

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by H on Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:23 pm

The physical impossibility of fretting the base notes, while play those lightning fast arpeggios is kinda the reason he had someone helping. You really should check out some of his stuff on youtube, or you can nick a load of stuff off me, I have tons of Paul Gilbert.

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by **Power Metal Dom** on Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:28 pm

The equivalent of that guy's hand is using a capo, it's not silly it's necessary!

Jez, as far as neo-classical people go I can definitely recommend Virtuocity. They are very very good.

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by **angel_kohaku** on Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:40 pm

It would have to be a moving capo though. I am not averse to the use of capos, just the other guy looks a bit of a choob standing there. "BE MY HUMAN CAPO BITCH!"

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by **Shredi-Knight** on Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:30 pm

Gilbert is sweet, best alternate picker in the world if you ask me.

For other neoclassical guys check out Jason Becker, Vinnie Moore, Tony Macalpine and Chris Impellitteri among others.. If you ask me all of those guys write better songs and play 1)faster and 2)cleaner than Yngwie.

Also, check this out:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/sh ... p?t=366820

by H on Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:51 pm

I would have been impressed by all that once...but ive moved on...he may not have been as fast, but he's a better writer, and better stylistically - dimebag pwns them all!

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by **Shredi-Knight** on Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:01 pm

Hmmm, I think that most of the guys I mentioned are better writers than Yngwie.... Maybe not all the fast guys are but I'd say the ones I mentioned are

by H on Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:05 pm

You are indeed correct. Btw who are you...i most know you!

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by **Shredi-Knight** on Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:11 pm

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