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Andy's Rant

Postby andrewdalgleish on Thu May 20, 2004 1:16 am

Right, time for a wolf related rant.

A word of warning: I may delve into the psychology of Elron's brain here, i'll probably fail...

I've been getting really pissed off with elron (because he's been getting pissed off with me, vicious circle anyone) lately, as you may or may not have noticed. He doesn't take any criticism whatsover, he thinks it's all a personal attack aimed directly at him. It isn't, i'm actually trying to be helpful.

Anyone who knows me (jonny) knows i'm not the best person to be arguing with, i'm quite argumentative and am not patient at all.

[rant]
First of all the story of tonights antics:
Everyone's playing along nicely, nobody's complaining, the world is a happy place.
Elron decides it might be funny to MUTE me, where i can't type anything into the server. I'm talking to alex and rich on the phone so i ask them to tell elron, who unmutes me a few mins later. This really pissed me off, but i thought: don't want to piss off elron, so i won't say anything apart from a cursory

'F**k off elron' which he laughs off.
We play a few more maps and then someone says elron's been moaning all night, so he stops and starts typing in capital letters something along the lines of:

"WHEN HAVE I MOANED TONIGHT, GIVE ME ONE INSTANCE" to which no-one replies, so i reply saying he hasn't moaned but he was a bit of a tw*t when he muted me, so he mutes me again. Then says 'I'M NOT PLAYING ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE WAY I GET TREATED AS SERVER' and he shuts down the server. (which in itself was quite annoying as i was winning by a large margin :p (had to get that in somewhere))
So when i quizzed him about it afterwards he starts moaning about how sick of getting moaned at he is (mainly from me, i must admit). I've had a few post game 'chats' with elron now, most of them have developed into arguements without either of us giving way whatsoever, but tonight's really took the biscuit:
(i've edited my msn name as it was very long...)

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the worst part in my mind is where he says stop being such a twat and play. i take this as his mind saying, Andy's got a point but i don't want to lose the arguement so i'll get out now.

then I went on to say i always like to chip in my two cents worth as i feel i'm the most experienced (i've played more wolf online than anyone who plays with us, i think) and knowledgable host, if i feel something isn't going the way it should i'm always going to chip in, doesn't matter who is server.
he say's i'm not, there is no BEST person which wasn't what i was saying. being experienced and knowledgable doesn't necessarily make me the best (Mark was prob best server...) but it's me who's done all the looking up of how to run a server. i looked up and configured et pro, and most importantly i found out how to change the port (that took me feckin ages) and elron comes back with something along the lines of anyone could have done it. maybe they could, that's not my point, my point was that it was ME who did it (and for the benefit of others, i'm inside resnet i don't need the port changed). it's me that has set up elrons server (he said it was HIS server, and it is, but i've still done most if not all of the config of it...), so i feel i have the right to have a little say on how it's run, i think that's fair.
he ended the conversation by saying he was going to block me, then he went offline/blocked me.

generally if i chip something in elron thinks i'm having a go at him, so he'll either ignore me or tell me to fu*k off, which obviously rattles me so i keep going with my typing. he'll either tell me to fuck off again, kick me (has happened), mute me (has happened), tell me to stop typing and just play or simply keep ignoring me. Then at the end he'll tell me i've hurt him deeply with all my moaning. I usually have a fairly good point to make, so if he listened to me he might learn something about to run a server properly, making it all better in the long run.

Now, I have been moaning at him lately, because i feel he's been taking his powers as server too far. Time was getting added if his team had a chance of winning, players were getting moved around to make his team stronger, he was moving himself to other teams if didn't want to play as one particular team.

And one other thing which bothers me is that he doesn't read the chat box very much, this is especially vital as server so you know what is going on, who is happy, who isn't. If he misses a lot of messages from me, I start to type in caps and my language gets stronger and stronger to try and get attention (i'm impatient so these come thick and fast), which probably worsens the situation. When i'm server i'm always reading the messages (i do miss some, but not very often) so i always know what's going on, maybe because of this i feel other hosts should do the same?
The job as server is to make as many people as happy as possible (we're all their for fun/relaxation, none more than me), and i realise my having a go at elron maybe made him unhappy but that was not my intention, my intention being for everyone to get the most out of our games.

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so what if no-one outside resnet plays any more, i still looked up how to do it. *argh*

Now, when elron isn't serving or i'm not playing (according to elron) nobody complains, it's only me that complains when elron's serving. Maybe no-one else has the guts to, i've heard a lot of bad reports from people about elron's servers, mainly the time adding, gravity changing etc etc.

I have a bit of criticism for myself too :o (i'm not entirely perfect): I always used to be server, now elron's always server (my computer can't take it :'( ). Now I really love being server, i see it as a challenge to keep everyone happy (i like a challenge :P) and i'm not terribly happy if i'm playing now and i'm not server (or a ref, which elron refuses to make me).

So what's the solution to this. The easy one is for me to host, as no-one complains much when i'm hosting but my computer can't take it. Another solution (one which worked a few nights ago) is for someone else entirely to host and I can be a referee. Elron seems to be fine when i'm server (he might not be now...) so why not have this as a solution, we're only here for a week now.

if anyone who plays hasn't met elron, he *appears* to be a fairly nice bloke in real life.

[/rant]


A final thought:

We want as many people playing wolf as possible, and i know for a fact we have lost some (primarily because of elron and i bitching at each other) because of this. I want elron to play, he's a fantastic player and one i would have on my team anytime (unless he's playing as some stupid class we don't need and isn't listening to me asking him to change, i know good tactics ffs). So for the next week lets not have any elron servers, lets have fun playing wolf and lets leave St A/Halls of Residence with a good impression of our games.

also, if there are games on resnet next year i'll play from outside :p


from your long suffering ex-server
Andy.

ps. this might get edited if i ever re-read it.

edit: formatting
admin edit: removed fragments of a private messenger conversation
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Re:

Postby andrewdalgleish on Thu May 20, 2004 1:21 am

Also i don't care if nobody reads that, it's certainly a shit piece of writing (grammar and format mainly). but i had to write it for my own sanity.

also, how about a wee poll??

andy.
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Re:

Postby RichZ on Thu May 20, 2004 3:07 am

OMG! That was long! Well for what it's worth:

I don't mind Elron's serving generally, although it can get rather annoying when gravity changes all of a sudden, or 5 minutes get added here and there (more so if Axis, but still...). I think time should only be added if Allies are very close to winning (ie it's been a great game and only couple mins needed - and then still only for sake of being able to complete it.)

So, Elron don't feel hurt - I know I can't sevre for toffee, but from now on no random changing of variables, and swaping teams all the time. I know I prefer to stay on same team for whole campaign, kinda defeats object otherwise. Although of course changes do need to be made sometimes, so suppose can't be helped.

So both of you - just chill a bit, it is only a game after all, but lets just try and play without any cheating or argueing, ok?!
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Postby munchingfoo on Thu May 20, 2004 7:17 am

The main issue should be sorted out privatly, but the server issue effects us all. Team swaping does really matter when there a lot of players, but when there are 7 or less, like on monday night it just makes for rubbish game play. I feel Andy and Elron both take wolf too seriously. Andy used to take his anger out with massed lines of caps calling everyone shit. Elron does that too, but he fucks around with the server as well. I don't like coming to play a game and everyone is taking it seriously/personally. I mean come one, I could take it real personally and come round to your house and shoot you where you lie for taking out 3 of my friends with an airstrike the night before.
I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal Where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve
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Re:

Postby andyefc on Thu May 20, 2004 8:19 am

to start: anyone who doesnt know...

<- this is Elron

Andy - i am not going to make any comments on anything you have said. You have taken a private convo into the public, and for that i think you should be banned from the forums - but thats my personal view. Also you are taking this wolfing waaaaaaay too seriously, i know i might at times but thats cos i always like to win and am very competetive.

I am gonna keep this short...

You need to grow up! *points at Duncans post*
I messed with the gravity once the other day for the first time in like 6 months (only cos the game was being really boring and we were having a laugh - some clearly didnt find that funny), i ask u to name one time in the last 6 months when i have messed with the gravity?
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Postby n01 on Thu May 20, 2004 9:08 am

Ok, lets just shut up and play. Both are right and wrong in their own minds, perhaps a neutral server is what is needed, but there will always be problems. Its up to Andy and Elron to sort them out with each other. Maybe it was right for Andy to bring it to our attention as it is disrupting out gameplay, but all the same I'd rather just play. I don't care about maps or settings or whatever. As long as I can play the game fairly (Normal gravity... although it was funny at the time) I don't give a rats ass.

There isn't much time left now, so lets just play and enjoy!

On a side note, why not have an Andy/Elron dual to decide? That would be quite characteristic of our activities... I wouldn't mind watching either!
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Re:

Postby andrewdalgleish on Thu May 20, 2004 11:25 am

[s]dunqn wrote on 07:20, 20th May 2004:
This is very GENERIC 14 YEAR OLD'S FORUM stuff. You're adults. Can't this be sorted privately?


and elron's arguement tactics aren't???

[s]N01 wrote
Its up to Andy and Elron to sort them out with each other.


believe me, i've tried. on numerous occasions, but he's doesn't discuss things because he thinks he right and won't back down, and he then starts arguing like a 5 year old which gets us nowhere. elron thinks i need to grow up, maybe i do, but before you say things like that take a long hard look in the mirror.



[s]Elron wroteAlso you are taking this wolfing waaaaaaay too seriously, i know i might at times but thats cos i always like to win and am very competetive.
i take it seriously because i want to, if i do i feel i get the most out of it. i take both my play and my serving seriously, you only take one of the two seriously. if you can't take it seriously elron then you shouldn't be server, simple as that.


Also, elron has been known to have said things along the lines of 'i never complain when you're server'. well, good point. that's cos i rock at hosting and know what i'm doing. (ooh, a logical argument!) i complain because i know what i'm doing.

the primary reason for getting pissed off last night: the fact that elron decided he didn't want to play last night cos two of us had a go at him. he was the server, he shouldn't have shut it down in the middle of the game.

andy.



also, elron was the perfect host last night until he got in a strop and left (apart from the muting incident)
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Re:

Postby Prophet Tenebrae on Thu May 20, 2004 12:06 pm

I think that Duncan and foo are both right. We should all be adults here and quite frankly, your inability to sort this out civilly and in private is somewhat disappointing.

Generally, I'd say if there is someone abusive on the server - it's me to my team mates but I don't think that Elron or Andy are bad servers.

Elron might dick about with settings and time more than Andy but I think the pettiness of both is the problem here.

In short - both Andys are good guys who just need to get a better handle on their tempers and if someone else being a server facilitates less bitching then so be it but it'll take team play to stop me bitching - oh yeah!
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Postby andyefc on Thu May 20, 2004 12:32 pm

andy - you are only making yourself look more stupid! I would like to point out the fact that it was ANDY that decided to bring this to everyones attention, and i HAVE tried to have discussions with him on MSN - none of this always arguing crap he comes up with, i wont allow him to lie to u. I have auto chat logs of every convo i have ever had, so i can show u if u really want to.

Anyway, i am NOT arguing this anymore. But i will point out that it is not me making this an issue - it is Andy making it an issue. All i will say is that no-one else has a problem with my servers except him.

AndyD - please oh please just stop moaning. I dont want to continue talking about this, and i cant believe you keep going ON AND ON about it. You are trying to make me look like the "bad" one, when it only makes yourself look foolish.

Note to all: This topic was started by Andy, and i am ending it here and NOW!!! Any further comments will be Andy dragging this out, and i will be forced to reply if he tries to slander me.

Thanks all for the good times at wold, im sorry you were all dragged into this private matter!

Good luck in your exams everyone!
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Postby TheGamesMaster on Thu May 20, 2004 1:41 pm

Before I read all the rants on this thread, I think you two should just go have sex and get rid of all this tension that has built up between both of you.

(Oh, and I'm not going to say if that should be sex with each other or seperate.)
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Postby nothing to do with me but hey, funny stuff! on Thu May 20, 2004 2:14 pm

Wow that was fun! Like listening to 7 year old boys arguing over which one of them is right and that the other one is a dick. Tbh, neither of you looks like you are in the right from what you've written, and neither is going to come out of it smelling of roses. But since it is now in the public domain then perhaps ALL the wolf players should discuss it maturely rather than just letting two people wind each other up constantly.


Very amusing and great exam diversion. Encore :P
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Postby andrewdalgleish on Thu May 20, 2004 2:54 pm

[s]Unregisted User nothing to do with me but hey, funny stuff! wrote on 13:44, 20th May 2004:
Wow that was fun! Like listening to 7 year old boys arguing over which one of them is right and that the other one is a dick. Tbh, neither of you looks like you are in the right from what you've written, and neither is going to come out of it smelling of roses. But since it is now in the public domain then perhaps ALL the wolf players should discuss it maturely rather than just letting two people wind each other up constantly.


Very amusing and great exam diversion. Encore :P


i'm glad i've made one person happy :D that's always my intention.

i think, however, that this person has hit the nail on the head. it's just elron and i who are bitching at each other. why doesn't everyone else chip in with view now and again. i know for a fact that a lot of the time i start bitching others are thinking the same things, so why not chip in and take the arguement away from myself and elron?
when asked to think of better teams it always seems to be one of us making the (final) decision. the other night i asked someone else to decide on teams but they didn't, they just said 'me?' then stayed silent!

andy.
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Re:

Postby C. on Thu May 20, 2004 3:01 pm

I'm happy playing Wolf regardless of whats going on with the server (grav/team swapping etc) as I don't take it seriously. However I can see that for the benefit of everyone it would be best if the server, whichever Andy it is, tried to leave the settings alone unless there was a vote by the players for a change.

I've not played for a month or two now due to exams so I don't know if the situation has got much worse but there was always a little bit of banter between the Andys and thats kinda expected in a game where your aim is to blow up the other guy.

P.S by posting private chat logs Andy messed up his argument.
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Postby andrewdalgleish on Thu May 20, 2004 3:05 pm

[s]C. wrote on 16:01, 20th May 2004:
P.S by posting private chat logs Andy messed up his argument.


i did?

care to explain?
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Postby C. on Thu May 20, 2004 3:17 pm

not much to explain, posting a private chat log on a public forum is Dirty.
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to andy and elron

Postby ovi on Thu May 20, 2004 3:41 pm

both you guys have ran servers in a professional and efficient manner. however, i also think you are both cocks. both of you order me around when all i want to do is just unwind. i love playing wolf, and i do take playing it quite seriously. however, this is not a tournament, and i do not specifically like the pressure associated with the somewhat innocent facade of "team play". lets keep it clean and civil but also lets have fun at it shall we?

scratch your eyes out over who is the better server. at the end of the day, all i care about is a fast, nagging-free server where i can do what the laws of our constricting society usually forbid me to do: kill everything that moves.
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Re:

Postby teh cow on Thu May 20, 2004 3:51 pm

What's all this bollocks about adding on time?

Someone fucked with the time when I played on elron's machine, and I *wasn't* impressed.

Really, what's the point of that? A good admin keeps *out* the game as much as possible and lets the game run itself. Let players swap teams to balance things or to suit what they want, let players use votes to shut people up if they're talking.

Someone tried to force me to play axis when I simply wasn't in the mood by using admin mode to put me on a particular team... for fucks sake what are you trying to achieve? I just buggered off pronto and played on another server. I can't be arsed with that kind of silliness.

I think your admin/server issues could be removed by enabling voting on things like mutes, map restarts, etc., and leaving the timer and teams the hell alone!
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Postby andrewdalgleish on Thu May 20, 2004 3:56 pm

[s]teh cow wrote on 16:51, 20th May 2004:
I think your admin/server issues could be removed by enabling voting on things like mutes, map restarts, etc., and leaving the timer and teams the hell alone!


edit: i was talking bollocks. if you are the host of a non-dedicated server then it is possible to un-referee yourself. i think this is what we should do from now on, have no refs. everything can be done on votes so everyone gets a say. so what if the teams are uneven? and if they are someone can swap to make them even. what does everyone think about that?
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Re:

Postby n01 on Thu May 20, 2004 4:32 pm

Fine with me. Lets just play. Sort out the match at the beginning, play till the end, then thats that. We are allowed to bitch at each other, its part of the game. Teamwork, TK's, spawncamping, all part of the game. Changing time, gravity.. not so much.
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Postby Jonny_G on Thu May 20, 2004 5:42 pm

Sounds good. Let's play it more like a public server.
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