Losing more by calling with the 'winning' hand.

[igisjana]

I thought about the following case last night in bed, when I couldn't fall asleep. The situation is as follows:

You are sitting at a 1$/1$ cash table in a casino that takes a 5% rake with a 5$ cap. You are in the BB with some random hand (say 36o) and it gets folded to the SB who calls (with, say, 56) and you check. Both you and the SB had 100$ stacks before this pot.

Flop: AhAsAd

Check/Check

Turn: Ac

Check/Check

River: Kh

SB bets 99$ (all-in). BB ?

Now if BB folds, he loses his 1$ big blind. But if he calls (and if he calls he, he can be sure that he is never beat), in doing so he creates a 200$ pot allowing the casino to take the 5$ rake, before the remaining pot of 195$ gets split and the BB gets 97.5$ back. Therefore, by calling the BB loses 2.5$ instead of 1$ he'd lose folding.

Hence, the above spot is a spot in which it is better to fold, although one knows that one will never lose the hand should one call.

[Patrick25]

cool story bro

[Birkin]

Interesting. Does the SBs $99 get raked as well or not? That would be hilarious if you fold and he loses $5 to rake.

[igisjana]

no if bb folds the pot would be 2$ because sb can take his money out again (you see the same thing online when everyone folds to your bet), so they'd take 5% of 2$, which is 0 chips.

[igisjana]

cool story bro

...dont even try

[Birkin]

Quite a few of the casino's have a policy in which they don't rake chopped pots btw.

[igisjana]

Quite a few of the casino's have a policy in which they don't rake chopped pots btw.

Didn't know that. Just assumed that they would, because Stars does it.

[tritus]

Quite a few of the casino's have a policy in which they don't rake chopped pots btw.

Didn't know that. Just assumed that they would, because Stars does it.

Switch to FT and play the nosebleeds. $0.50 rake ft-mf-w.

And casino's in the uk still charge hourly fees as opposed to rake....i think...generally to drunk to notice tbh.

[Birkin]

At the vic it varies, but the games i've played have been 5% rake, no charge