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Postby someone on Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting Sid from 01:56, 14th Mar 2006
I'm not yelling you don't hate perfomance arts, but I've never seen you at any of the many student plays here, but then I don't go to that many either. Hmmm.


You're not wrong. At £10 a pop, my living allowance doesn't gybe well with theatre. But don't think I won't be informed...

...I have had discussions with Lee Kane regarding his candidacy for DOsDA. I know Lee fairly well and we get along. I would be delighted to work with him. If I am elected, and if Lee is elected, most of the policy information I would get regarding the arts and funding would come from him.

What's important to emphasize is that I'm not going into this as a Lone Ranger President--- quite the contrary. I'm going to rely very heavily on other sabs to help me out, and I'm going to do what I can to see their goals reached. Fortunately for me the other sab candidates and I appear to have very compatible goals, and while I am not able to speak for them, if I am elected, I suspect that a consensus on an agenda for the 2006-07 academic year will be reached very early this spring.
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Postby Sid on Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:09 am

That's a shame, I think you'd suit a white stetson and an eyemask, it would add to your charisma!
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Postby Clonion on Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting someone from 00:44, 14th Mar 2006
Not particularly, no. I was in second year and was helping to run the Ambassadors' Ball that month so, to be fair, I had a lot on my plate. someone
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To be fair, most people have a lot on their plate. I am the person referred to by shinyhappyperson above (and let's not add being press liason and so talking to various newspapers, organising and stewarding the protest as well because that sounds like over-egging the pudding) and I have just looked through my diary to see what I was doing in that month. I was in Junior Honours at the time - a little more serious than Second Year. In that month alone I handed in 3 translations, gave 3 presentations, was preparing for an essay; I was ill, running a very high temperature for the entirety of the week the protest against rent rises was being organised (which getting no more than 4 hours sleep a night really did not help) and had also triggered a long term chronic injury to my knee which I should have been resting; I was involved in Rag Week, volunteering a few nights throughout the Week and also in charge of Rag Hits (which, true, did not take off that year as the method for paying through the website did not work; nevertheless I was on call the entire time) and attended two collections during that month.

I had more than enough grounds to be able to say that I already had enough on my plate.

That's in response. This is my question. One of your policies is to "hold the University to account regarding its Ethical Investment commitments" What, if anything, did you do for Ethical Investment?

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Postby Thackary on Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:13 am

So that proves nothing Sinead. I don't think that comment was at all relevant.
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Postby Bonnie on Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:52 am

You opposed the current STAR FM from forming! You even got quite angry and, in a formal meeting, yelled at me, calling me a bitch, for helping them. (As I was DoS at the time, it was quite clearly my job to help them.)

Do you deny trying to intimidate Sandy and Steve?-- You cannot answer this post without outright making a statement on this point.

Why are you trying to steal their thunder now? Is this yet again a jealous act by a maglomaniac trying to create a cult of personality dictatorship?

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Postby cberry on Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:14 pm

Why are you trying to steal their thunder now? Is this yet again a jealous act by a maglomaniac trying to create a cult of personality dictatorship?


Wow- the sinner is getting exciting again! I'm going to get some popcorn.

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Postby someone on Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting Bonnie from 11:52, 14th Mar 2006
You opposed the current STAR FM from forming! You even got quite angry and, in a formal meeting, yelled at me, calling me a bitch, for helping them. (As I was DoS at the time, it was quite clearly my job to help them.)

Do you deny trying to intimidate Sandy and Steve?-- You cannot answer this post without outright making a statement on this point.

Why are you trying to steal their thunder now? Is this yet again a jealous act by a maglomaniac trying to create a cult of personality dictatorship?


Bonnie, that is complete rubbish.

My conduct in that meeting was entirely gentlemanly and polite. Knowing that STAR-FM was a significant investment, I grilled the daylights out of the two students who made the presentation, just as everyone should do before the Association makes a significant capital outlay. And it paid off because they answered the questions well.

The fact remains that I've voted on the Board to continue funding to STAR-FM. Running for President, I support year-round functioning of the station because that would be best for the students. I'm not trying to steal STAR-FM's thunder. I recognise their value to the Association. I think it's fair for candidates to acknowledge the value of a society, and I have faith that they can help the Union do better.

As for the last point in your message, you spelled maglomaniac (sic) incorrectly. The correct spelling is "megalomaniac."

Let me assure everyone that if they asked Lee, Graeme, or Laura (the candidates for other sabbatical posts), they would disagree with Bonnie's assessment.

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Postby Sid on Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:10 pm

Who the hell are you? I think you'll find it was a joke, you know that thing they call humour, someone did say that he wasn't going to be a "lone ranger president" and I replied with a little joke. Big deal. If you were referring to the previous post where I said that I have not seen him at many theatre events in this town then I had a point, I don't go to many but I have been more than the average person in St Andrews and I've never seen him at any, and I think you'll find it gave someone a way to put himself forward as the better candidate.

Finally you have no right whatsoever to use this particular forum to get on my case and if you wish to take this further then I'd be quite happy to.

Sinead (since we're on first name terms)

P.S. I have since found out who you are, which makes me really confused, why did you make that comment?

Quoting thackary from 11:13, 14th Mar 2006
So that proves nothing Sinead. I don't think that comment was at all relevant.
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Postby Bonnie on Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:24 pm

Sinead, without a doubt, you know who thackary is.

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Postby Thackary on Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:01 pm

My post was referring to your comment about the number of plays you've seen - it wasn't relevant to the discussion.

I too think that Mr Byrne would suit a stetson and eyemask!
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Postby someone on Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting clonion from 11:00, 14th Mar 2006

I had more than enough grounds to be able to say that I already had enough on my plate.


Sorry, I had my priorities! You project was rent rises; mine was a ball. Each requires a lot of work; mine happened to be along the lines of acquiring insurance, publicity, media contact, and making money. However, let me give you my assurances that if I'm AP next year, any proposed rent rise will be a priority. Because I will be the Union's chief of external communications and, furthermore, will be tasked with a representational agenda.

Considering that the Overseas Committees did a great job with both Ambassadors' balls, and I am really dedicated to my work, you should know that I will apply similar dedication to the job of AP.

This is my question. One of your policies is to "hold the University to account regarding its Ethical Investment commitments" What, if anything, did you do for Ethical Investment?


Would love to answer. Signed the petition, for one. Took part in the debate. Approved the SRC policies. This year, in debate I strengthened the SRC consensus and helped to create a dialogue outside of it, grilling Simon Pepper at the beginning of the year to make sure that he understood what the ups and downs were financially.

I admit, have been split on EI in the past. To start, I've always been in favour of the transparency element of EI. Limiting investment options has been my main point of contention, but fortunately for me empirical observation... namely the recently-published staggeringly good investment numbers for the Association's EI scheme... have helped me to get over that issue.

For purposes of being association President, though, I am obligated to support EI on the whole because it is Association policy to do so. And financially, the Association is doing extraordinarily well with its EI investments.

This is fortunate for me considering I'm running on it as part of my campaign!


Understanding this, the questions I put to the voters are,
1) Which candidate is best able to strengthen and broaden the consensus with the students?
2) Which candidate can communicate best to the University?
3) Which candidate knows the system well enough to see the job through?

I am the right person for that job. No matter what you think about my politics, rest assured that the EI agenda will be safe in the Association if I am elected President. Furthermore, as a great proponent of communicating with our students, know that I will try to increase the breadth of support for the Association's stance on EI, if not for the merits of investment transparency but also because if the Union can force the Uni to adopt EI, it will increase our legitimacy and relevance to the student body.

It is important for a broad range of issues that the University is held to account when they make a promise to the students. If they break their promises, we can have no assurances about later agreements, and will be seen to lack the will to fight the University on other issues like rent rises.

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Postby Sid on Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:53 pm

Yes but I'd had a couple glasses of a lovely Italian red and wasn't thinking all that straight, and my irrelevance was only a sentence long. Let's stop this, since our discussion is causing even more irrelevance to what the forum is all about.

Tara!

P.S. Sorry for getting on my "high horse" I didn't know who you were, I just thought you were someone having a pop at me, which I don't take too kindly to.

Quoting thackary from 18:01, 14th Mar 2006
My post was referring to your comment about the number of plays you've seen - it wasn't relevant to the discussion.

I too think that Mr Byrne would suit a stetson and eyemask!
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Postby ShinyHappyPerson on Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting someone from 01:43, 14th Mar 2006

STAR-FM differs from other projects in that its creation is, in a sense, a valuable tool--- in campaign lingo, a "key asset"--- that the Association could, and ought to, use to communicate with the student body and increase business in the building (as well as run campaigns for athletes, societies, arts, etc.). Furthermore, our efforts would not stop with STAR FM--- it would be part of a wider plan to acquire funding and grant increases on the whole.

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You seem to be mistaken here Preston. Star FM is not unique in being a 'key asset' of the Students' Association. While I can only speak with any degree of certainty for Charities (it is the only SSC Subcommittee where i hold any kind of position - Collections Co-Ordinator) but I can assure you that we communicate with the student body, increase business within the building (Rag Week being the prime example) and promote various activies throughout St Andrews (for example the Rugby 7s tournament, charity collection, events, Race to Paris etc) And im sure we are not the only subcommittee to do these things.
Surely the point of the subcommittee structure is to have the so called 'supersocieties' on an even footing - both in terms of finance and representation within the Association - your proposal would completely destroy this.

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Postby someone on Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:53 am


You seem to be mistaken here Preston. Star FM is not unique in being a 'key asset' of the Students' Association. While I can only speak with any degree of certainty for Charities (it is the only SSC Subcommittee where i hold any kind of position - Collections Co-Ordinator) but I can assure you that we communicate with the student body, increase business within the building (Rag Week being the prime example) and promote various activies throughout St Andrews (for example the Rugby 7s tournament, charity collection, events, Race to Paris etc) And im sure we are not the only subcommittee to do these things.
Surely the point of the subcommittee structure is to have the so called 'supersocieties' on an even footing - both in terms of finance and representation within the Association - your proposal would completely destroy this.


I can see your concern, but let me assure you that this is a case of misunderstanding more than anything else.

Bear with me:

The fact is that the Charities Campaign is more a human asset than a capital one- it relies primarily on its hard-working members.

Initially, the costs of STAR-FM would exceed set-up costs for charities events, because much of the infrastructure they need--- venues, staging and lighting for RAG week events, for example--- is already in place. STAR-FM is unique due to the fact that it requires an entirely new infrastructure in order to function: a permanent radio antenna, radio licensing fees, sound equipment, a soundproof room, some computers and what-have-you.

Once set-up, it would operate no differently from any of the other "supersocieties," as you call them. My point was merely that the nature of STAR-FM means that in order for it to be fully effective, it requires a significant initial investment. Sensible, yes?

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Postby Iveagh on Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:18 am

Preston, we had a lovely rendition today in a Social Anthropology lecture (from a member of your team) of how you intend to build up 'a sense of spirit' and I presume a sense of pride in our university for the future.

This seems a fair and reasonable aspiration. Yet apathy is at a considerably high rate so how do you intend to get students more involved in the workings of the association, and the university, so that they are willing to contribute in the future?


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Postby someone on Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting Iveagh from 02:18, 15th Mar 2006
Preston, we had a lovely rendition today in a Social Anthropology lecture (from a member of your team) of how you intend to build up 'a sense of spirit' and I presume a sense of pride in our university for the future.

This seems a fair and reasonable aspiration. Yet apathy is at a considerably high rate so how do you intend to get students more involved in the workings of the association, and the university, so that they are willing to contribute in the future?


Yes, that was my Campaign Manager, Miss Alexandra Booth. She's lovely.

My communication plan is in four parts:
1) Responsible Representation.
2) Diversification of advertising.
3) Alumni Funding.
4) STAR-FM.


1) Responsible Representation

Often we will hear from Presidential candidates that there is a lot of "bureaucratic red tape" in the Association and that it lacks direction. This is not entirely true. Cutting bureaucracy in the Association is only a stairwell away--- going upstairs and talking to a competent, experienced President or Director and convincing them that the item on the agenda

The Association falls down primarily because the dialogue that ought to take place between the students and the Uni... well, it doesn't take place. They don't know who we are or what we're up to, and as a result, their community identity is based heavily in their halls, in the bars they hang around in, or, in the case of certain individuals, in private members' clubs. The result is a highly fractured community that doesn't have a real sense of being 'St Andrean.'

The first step towards creating that identity is to make all students understand that they are indeed a part of a common community with a common interest. The Association has failed to do that thus far--- it fails to make students understand that it exists to represent causes held in commonality and thus fails to even begin to create a community. It took me four years of being at this Uni to figure this out and it will take years of continuous, experienced, outgoing leadership with a good plan to overcome it.

2)Advertising.

Basically, the Association needs to lend its resources to our athletes, artists, and activists.

I find that an excellent way to do this is to support our athletes. While a lot of people will respond, "oh, that's just because you're an American," people who have never played a sport at St Andrews cannot possibly understand the pride and camaraderie that comes with it.

I want to support our AU clubs, specifically by advertising home matches each week in front of the Association. This will serve two purposes--- firstly, to create a universal, common interest, and secondly, to get more students to matches which will allow sports teams (not the Association, but AU clubs) to be in a better negotiating position when they request funding increases from the university.

Now on to point 3: Alumni funding.

All of this money for advertising is going to have to come from somewhere.

People frequently accuse me of "carpetbagging" when I praise the Charities Campaign. Nonsense: I'm simply showing what our students are capable of when they put their minds do it. People do incredible things all the time, whether it be the Men's Lacrosse squad (of which I am a member) holding off, two men down, an Edinburgh squad three times our size, or the Overseas Society committee of eight managing to throw an incredible Ambassadors Ball last year.

Why not show the alumni our talents? Why not say, "hey, we're doing good things, help us keep on doing it?" The Association can serve a function that the Uni cannot--- we can get money from alumni and put it directly in the hands of students. We can. And we should.

4) Year-round STAR-FM.

Every day, broadcasting to the students.

Benefits:

1) Welfare campaigns: Raisin Weekend safety combined with raisin weekend entertainment. Drink spiking incidents followed by drink spiking awareness. Instantly!

2) Accountability: letting the students know what we think so that if they disagree, they can come back and say, "hold on a minute." How much have you heard from the Union this year? Would you have liked to participate in the debates on boxing in the Union, Ethical Investment, or the sale of Hamilton Hall? Would you like to hear and critique the members of the SRC represent your views to the principal, Dr. Brian Lang, last month?

If your answer to any of those questions is yes, then I'm the Presidential candidate for you.

3) Other campaigns: Rent Rises, top-up fees, and access issues to home students are all on the horizon. We need to have a tool to communicate with the students--- without it, it will be much harder to build a consensus in the wider student body.

Hope I answered your question! Please feel free to ask more!

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Postby AR on Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:15 am

Preston- you keep saying we should invest in StarFM, but I think that most students at this university (I admit I could be completely wrong about this, but I dont think so...) would rather spend 15,000 pounds on something more relevent and useful. Don't get me wrong, radio is a great tool and would be beneficial, but surely not as beneficial as refurbishment of union rooms or more grants to societies who need them, and many many other things that aren't coming to the top of my head. I'm not saying these suggestions are the right ones- what I'm saying is how can you justify spending that much money on a radio station when there are so many other things lacking for students here within the union's infrastructure. Is there even a spare 15,000 pounds to do this? Where on earth would you cut money from?

And for the record, a student play does not cost 10 pounds. It costs five pounds, unless its in the Byre. I have to admit its a bit worrying that a presidential candidate is spreading this sort of misinformation.

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Postby someone on Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting AR from 10:15, 15th Mar 2006
Preston- you keep saying we should invest in StarFM, but I think that most students at this university (I admit I could be completely wrong about this, but I dont think so...) would rather spend 15,000 pounds on something more relevent and useful. Don't get me wrong, radio is a great tool and would be beneficial, but surely not as beneficial as refurbishment of union rooms or more grants to societies who need them, and many many other things that aren't coming to the top of my head. I'm not saying these suggestions are the right ones- what I'm saying is how can you justify spending that much money on a radio station when there are so many other things lacking for students here within the union's infrastructure. Is there even a spare 15,000 pounds to do this? Where on earth would you cut money from?


No money would be cut. None what-so-ever.

Allow me to explain:
The Association has something like 1.4 Million quid... I'd have to go home and look at my old Board of Trustees papers for thursday to find the exact amount. It's invested according to Ethical Investment criteria and it is doing incredibly well.

This year, the fund earned 26,000 pounds in interest. On July 1, we are able to access that account without a penalty (20,000 pound penalty if we yank it out before.) Taking half of the 26,000 and investing it would go a long way towards giving societies necessary publicity assistance.

The reason that the students don't see this money is because, at every level, the Association has a general paranoia about spending money. That needs to change. Often, it's brought up that the Association should blow the whole wad on a swimming pool or the Crawford Arts Centre (more recently, the Byre.) And while those ideas sound great, they would cripple the Association financially and would remove the significant safety net that the Ethical Investment account provides. So you see, since the money I'd like to spend is coming out of interest, the Association would still be wealthier than before, and the students would have more resources at their disposal.

That's one hell of a win-win situation.

My plan would be to take 15,000 pounds out of that account over the course of the year. Some of it would be spent on capital investment over the summer for advertising space--- ideally creating four new boards in the centre of town:

1) with one devoted to athletics,
2) one to theatre and music,
3) one for debates, and
4) One for other societies.

The idea is that students will know where to go in the centre of town if they want something to do. Particularly in the case of athletics, if we get more people at the games, we are in a better negotiating position to request money from the University.

STAR-FM is a part of the plan which will be developed over the year. I feel that its advertising potential for both Union events and Association representational campaigns would justify the initial expense. If people don't like my plan, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It is my position that it would be an asset to the Association. I'm going to support the idea, my constituents support the idea, and many people in the Association support the idea. I'm going to work to make it a reality.

And for the record, a student play does not cost 10 pounds. It costs five pounds, unless its in the Byre. I have to admit its a bit worrying that a presidential candidate is spreading this sort of misinformation.


Sorry! I was speaking casually. The Tempest and the Vagina Monologues, two plays which I very much wanted to see but couldn't, were both held in the Byre. Hence my talking about 10 quid rather than 5.
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Postby someone on Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting AR from 10:15, 15th Mar 2006
Preston- you keep saying we should invest in StarFM, but I think that most students at this university (I admit I could be completely wrong about this, but I dont think so...) would rather spend 15,000 pounds on something more relevent and useful. Don't get me wrong, radio is a great tool and would be beneficial, but surely not as beneficial as refurbishment of union rooms or more grants to societies who need them, and many many other things that aren't coming to the top of my head. I'm not saying these suggestions are the right ones- what I'm saying is how can you justify spending that much money on a radio station when there are so many other things lacking for students here within the union's infrastructure. Is there even a spare 15,000 pounds to do this? Where on earth would you cut money from?


No money would be cut. Allow me to explain:

The Association has 1.25 Million Pounds in its EI fund.

This year, the fund earned 26,000 pounds in interest. On July 1, we are able to access that account without a penalty (20,000 pound penalty if we yank it out before.) Taking half of the 26,000 and investing it would go a long way towards giving societies necessary publicity assistance.

At every level, the Association has a general paranoia about spending money. That needs to change. Often, it's brought up that the Association should blow the whole wad on a swimming pool or the Crawford Arts Centre (more recently, the Byre.) And while those ideas sound great, they would cripple the Association financially and would remove the significant safety net that the Ethical Investment account provides. So you see, since the money I'd like to spend is coming out of interest, the Association would still be wealthier than before, and the students would have more resources at their disposal.

My plan would be to take 15,000 pounds out of that account over the course of the year. Some of it would be spent on capital investment over the summer for advertising space--- ideally creating four new boards in the centre of town:

1) with one devoted to athletics,
2) one to theatre and music,
3) one for debates, and
4) One for other societies.

The idea is that students will know where to go in the centre of town if they want something to do. Particularly in the case of athletics, if we get more people at the games, we are in a better negotiating position to request money from the University.

STAR-FM is a part of the plan which will be developed over the year. I feel that its advertising potential for both Union events and Association representational campaigns would justify the initial expense.

And for the record, a student play does not cost 10 pounds. It costs five pounds, unless its in the Byre. I have to admit its a bit worrying that a presidential candidate is spreading this sort of misinformation.


Sorry! I was speaking casually. The Tempest and the Vagina Monologues, two plays which I very much wanted to see but couldn't, were both held in the Byre. Hence my talking about 10 quid rather than 5.
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Postby Lodestone on Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:04 am

That's an impressive and audacious plan, Preston. But how exactly are you planning to execute it?
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