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Postby Prophet Tenebrae on Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:35 pm

This thread has become a great source of amusement to me - if people are put off a site by opinionated debate, then they'd better find a box to lock themselves in for the rest of their life...

If you don't understand something - it's generally best not to fly off the handle and enter into a quasi-threatening/ churlish post behind the cowardly mask of anonymity.

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Postby amac on Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:43 pm

[s]Humphrey wrote on 17:07, 7th Jun 2004:'http://' bit with ' IMAGE :'

Ah, thats where i've been going wrong! Once again Humphrey, thankyou!

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Postby Humphrey on Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:03 pm

[s]Prophet Tenebrae wrote on 19:35, 7th Jun 2004:[i]
'This thread has become a great source of amusement to me - if people are put off a site by opinionated debate, then they'd better find a box to lock themselves in for the rest of their life...'

Not only that but it appears there are people who come to the Sinner expecting to read 'mature' posts. Did I miss a meeting!.
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Postby Guest on Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:22 pm

[s]amac wrote on 15:46, 7th Jun 2004:
You seem to have no clue what is being discussed from everything else you say. This isn't about people who LOOK or SOUND like NED's, its about people who ACT like NED's.


No its not. Have you met any of those particular people on those sites? Have you seen them behaving like neds? Or have you just read about them, HEARD what they sound like and SEEN what they look like?

And why would I want to register to converse more easily with the likes of you. You can't even grasp why some people find this thread so immature. You are picking on people on the basis of how they behave online, you have no idea if they actually do that stuff in real life. And this is how you spend your time, picking on people you don't actually know? How does that male you any better than these supposed neds. Peopl eon here have been verbally abusive to other posters and other people - is that not ned like? Or is this all about double standards after all.
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Postby Guest on Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:23 pm

You people make me feel physically sick. I really hope no one outside the university sees this thread.
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Postby Guest on Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:23 pm

[s]Manic23 wrote on 18:14, 7th Jun 2004:
[s]Unregisted User cant be arsed wrote on 00:15, 7th Jun 2004:[i]Why not read your post and see how close to an offensive ned you are?


Oh the irony! Despite not knowing who I am, you have labelled me as

1. Repulsive
2. Pondlife
3. Narrow minded etc.

It's a good job I have thick skin, or I might actually have been offended by your rant.

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You talk about the irony there and yet you completely missed the point. So much for any intelligence you might have been hiding then. Skip to the bottom if you still don't get it, sigh.

Oh, and don't bother bringing up the Agnus Dei thread- he was an Arsehole and doesn't count.

He was a person with problems, and it counts. You really think he was the only one who came out of that looking bad? i think not.

Oh I'm perfectly capable of seeing and respecting someone elses opinion, I just don't have time for people who deliberately argue a point just to stand out from the crowd and make a half arsed attempt at being controversial, a manner which I believed Cellar Bar to be behaving in.

No, it's a valid opinion of which at least two people on here hold. You are incapable of respecting that fact and incapable seemingly of even seeing the argument people have with you.

I don't know the Cellar Bar, haven't even been in the pub(!).

Very clever, I see what you've done there, nice


Oh come on, you're really not that thick are you? You really have no idea of who the Cellar Bar is? Talk about not respecting your elders.

read the last part back to yourself, and just see how illogical it is. A website being a good indication of what a person is like? I hope you're being ironic or sarcastic.

Oh finally you get it! Round of applause! A website is not a good indication of what a person is like. Why not try remembering that next time you slag off people you think are neds because of how they act on a website. Or are you going to blindly argue on against even yourself now...
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Postby Guest on Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:24 pm

[s]Prophet Tenebrae wrote on 19:35, 7th Jun 2004:
If you don't understand something - it's generally best not to fly off the handle and enter into a quasi-threatening/ churlish post behind the cowardly mask of anonymity.


Oh very mature. I prefer the posts of those who have managed to voice their opinions with as few abusive words or personal insults as possible. Only certain people have been threateningon these threads, and if you're going to fly off the handle about guest posters opinions being worthless then either start a new thread to your dedicated cause or just ignore them.
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Postby cheek on Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:24 pm

[s]Prophet Tenebrae wrote on 19:35, 7th Jun 2004:
This thread has become a great source of amusement to me - if people are put off a site by opinionated debate, then they'd better find a box to lock themselves in for the rest of their life...


No, they just choose not to use the site. Simple as that really. Or does not using a site mean the person has to lock themselvesin a box...funny that, I thought you just had to leave the site. Suppose some people just can't restrain themselves.
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Postby amac on Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:56 pm

[s]Unregisted User wrote on 15:51, 7th Jun 2004:
No its not. Have you met any of those particular people on those sites? Have you seen them behaving like neds? Or have you just read about them, HEARD what they sound like and SEEN what they look like?

And why would I want to register to converse more easily with the likes of you. You can't even grasp why some people find this thread so immature. You are picking on people on the basis of how they behave online, you have no idea if they actually do that stuff in real life. And this is how you spend your time, picking on people you don't actually know? How does that male you any better than these supposed neds. Peopl eon here have been verbally abusive to other posters and other people - is that not ned like? Or is this all about double standards after all.


I'm really sorry. You are after all totally right. The guys waving the bats and the samurai swords were doing it for harmless fun - their talk of chibbings and 'fuck the polis 101%' was just harmless fun. Their sectarian rants, their racist chants - how could I possibly judge these people, who are honourable members of our fine society. When they impregnate their 14 year old sengas, vandalise peoples car mirrors (i will kill the cunts who did that), and shout 'are you a fenian?' they are being jocular and hoping for peace on earth. Their mad sqaud really is a triumph over intelligence, and a show of teamwork to overcome the english language. They are so wise they have created a new, supreme language, removing specific vowels and spitting on the dictionary.

In short, fuck off.

Are you so nieve that you think they are decent members of society? Their websites aren't jokes, they aren't lying about hating Asians and stabbing members of rival gangs. A NED is verbally abusive, i am argumentative. The major difference is where we draw the line. If you offend me i will argue with you, and that's it. If you offend a NED he wouldn't stop there. They don't give a flying fuck about your feelings and your defence of them on here. If you think this is harsh then you havn't experienced what they are like.

I might be repeating myself here but it seems like its necessary. We are laughing at people who cause trouble, who torment others for their own pleasure, who think they are great. The people on these sites are unmistakable this. Of course we judge them on appearance, and whatever else we can. If you think you have never done this then you are lying to yourself. How do you judge people? Do you go up to the people wearing kappa trackies and baseball caps at 45 degrees in St Andrews and say 'How are you doing old chap?', waiting to see what they are like? No, you don't do that for them, you don't do that for a lot of people, so don't give me that shit.

If they say they hate the 'polis' , vandalise stuff and would shoot you given the chance then i'll believe them, and classify them as cunts. I won't wait to see whether they are just trying to be funny. The difference with us is that you only have our arguments to go by. And that way it IS hard to tell what someone is like.

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Postby amac on Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:01 pm

[s]Unregisted User cheek wrote on 20:32, 7th Jun 2004:
[s]Prophet Tenebrae wrote on 19:35, 7th Jun 2004:[i]
This thread has become a great source of amusement to me - if people are put off a site by opinionated debate, then they'd better find a box to lock themselves in for the rest of their life...


No, they just choose not to use the site. Simple as that really. Or does not using a site mean the person has to lock themselvesin a box...funny that, I thought you just had to leave the site. Suppose some people just can't restrain themselves.
[/i]

For gods sake!! Do you have to take everything literally?! The point is that this is a messageboard -- a forum. If you don't like discussions and arguments then this is clearly the wrong place for you, by definition. Don't complain about it AND post.

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Postby Anon. on Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:54 pm

Neds are yobbish hooligans with no regard for anyone but themselves, and whose behaviour is despicably offensive and antisocial. It is natural reaction to hate people like this, and I do. However, trying to look at it from their point of view for a bit, I'd imagine it would be very easy for one to fall into that kind of behaviour if one has spent one's entire childhood in a ned environment. Had the average ned been brought up elsewhere, he could really turn out to be quite averagely decent. Also, I don't think there's much that can really be done to eradicate the social problem that neds constitute, short of taking each individual out of the herd and re-educating him on his own, away from the (considerable) peer pressure.

I don't know what (if anything) this contributes to what remains of the debate.

I personally don't care if mocking neds for their clothes and behaviour is classist - it's still funny.
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Postby Manic23 on Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:20 am

[s]Unregisted User wrote on 19:19, 7th Jun 2004:


You talk about the irony there and yet you completely missed the point. So much for any intelligence you might have been hiding then. Skip to the bottom if you still don't get it, sigh.


Just about the most condescending post I've ever come across, I especially love the little 'sigh', but never mind, let us continue

Oh, and don't bother bringing up the Agnus Dei thread- he was an Arsehole and doesn't count.

He was a person with problems, and it counts. You really think he was the only one who came out of that looking bad? i think not.


you. actually. are. trying. to. defend. Agnus. Dei.
You are the first sinner in history to do this, have you actually read that thread? Words fail me.



I don't know the Cellar Bar, haven't even been in the pub(!).

Very clever, I see what you've done there, nice

Oh come on, you're really not that thick are you? You really have no idea of who the Cellar Bar is? Talk about not respecting your elders.


Again, nice and patronising. How would I know who he/she is? Is he/she the quintessential St Andrews resident that unless you know him/her you aren't worth bothering about? Please feel free to enlighten me.

read the last part back to yourself, and just see how illogical it is. A website being a good indication of what a person is like? I hope you're being ironic or sarcastic.

Oh finally you get it! Round of applause! A website is not a good indication of what a person is like. Why not try remembering that next time you slag off people you think are neds because of how they act on a website. Or are you going to blindly argue on against even yourself now...


You know, deliberately misinterpreting what I have said to suit your own argument isn't big or clever. Whilst one can gain very little knowledge from a person on the net by merely looking at what they type i.e. sinner members, a picture literally does paint a thousand words i.e. it's a safe assumption to make that the young scallywags posing with various weapons and surrounded by many bottles of Buckie will not go on to become fine upstanding pillars of society, but more likely to be the scum that
have a degenerative effect on society and its normal decent people.

Now what fucking point are you trying to make exactly? That I am an offensive wanker? You've made it; good, now move on. Or is it that I judge people that I don't know, therefore I am an elitist, proletariat hating snob? You've said it, now move on. You said to amac earlier why would you want to register and engage with the likes of us? Well, you're still here spouting off your high and mighty lesson in morals and the importance of "Judge ye not others, for ye in turn will be judged." You've said what you have to say, so kindly leave us to enjoy whatever other gems humphrey finds on the beautiful net, the way this thread was intended to be.
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Postby Manic23 on Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:40 am

[s]Unregisted User wrote on 17:10, 7th Jun 2004:
You people make me feel physically sick. I really hope no one outside the university sees this thread.


Me too, we can't have them thinking that the uni is totally populated by uptight squares, that there are those of us who enjoy the craic and banter

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Postby alloa fan on Tue Jun 08, 2004 7:50 am

Quite right. I'm embarassed that there are such patronising people at this university who won't even let us laugh at wankers in peace. Don't worry all you prospective students, there are some of us who can have fun!

Unregistered User must be all moralised out by now surely.

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Postby Cain on Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:33 am

this thread confuses me, with all the twists and turns its taken, and all the arguments.

I just popped on to say that my dad was at a concert in Glasgow at the weekend with his brother, and they had rolls thrown at them by neds thinking htey were hard. he didn't make the story very clear, but the two of them stood up to the wee bastards.

yay!

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Postby Humphrey on Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:58 am

It's odd, I thought I was pretty safe attacking NEDs but bizarrely there appears to be a kind of pro-Ned movement developing on this board. Lets leave aside personal attacks for the moment and concentrate on the points that were introduced by Cellar Bar. Firstly my reasons for posting Ned websites. Aside from the amusement factor, there are personal issues at stake here, a mate of mine got beaten up outside the gas station by a bunch of baseball cap wearing nonce’s for being ‘a Paki’ (he's actually half Malaysian, half German, but that doesn’t seem to matter to these people). My mate stepped in to protect him and got his head repeatedly hit off the pavement by another youth causing mild concussion and a nasty head wound. Upon going to the police (the only reason they investigated it was because it was a racist attack) they were shown picture after picture of NEDs who all looked the fucking same and distinguishing one from the other was ultimately impossible, what’s worrying is that these were all people who had performed criminal acts but had not been prosecuted for lack of evidence. Some guy I know was the victim of a random attack when a bunch of Neds from Glenrothes pulled up in a car, jumped out and slashed his face with a flick knife purely for the craic. I could go on, but I’m willing to bet every single person on this board has at one time or another had first or second hand experience of these kind of incidents. So actually based on personal experience I have never felt so in the right as I do when I’m slagging what are in effect the dregs of society. There is no excuse for anti social behaviour, none whatsoever, don’t even pretend that there is. While these sites amuse me they also disgust me when I read about the stuff they openly boast about. If Cellar bar is who I think he is then he is the proprietor of the best pub in St Andrews (not an advert, just a simple statement of fact). Sorry mate, you certainly know your beer and I respect that but I think you are spectacularly wrong on this issue and I am offended by your implication that I am some kind of Yah seeking to mock working class youth (I used to hang out in the Stables for fucks sake, how snobbish can I be?). I am not seeking to mock Scottish culture, I love the country, I am just seeking to draw attention to the existence of a subculture that glorifies of random violence, heavy drinking and vandalism, if that’s immature then so be it. I get a lot of positive feedback for my Ned site reviews since I put them on GlasgowSuvival and most of it comes from the very working class Glaswegian youths that you claim I am looking down on, everyone is sick of Neds and frankly this working class hero bullshit that may or may not have been popular in your undergraduate days just doesn’t convince anyone anymore, least of all the people who day after day have to put up with attacks and abuse from violent yobs. Ill support the underdog, but not when he's snarling, wielding a baseball bat and attacking me simply for walking down the street.
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Postby Guest on Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:14 pm

[s]amac wrote on 01:01, 8th Jun 2004:
If you don't like discussions and arguments then this is clearly the wrong place for you, by definition


This is not a discussion, that would imply maturity, something you clearly don't possess. But please continue to wind yourself up further, it makes for fun reading.
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Postby Guest on Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:14 pm

[s]Manic23 wrote on 02:40, 8th Jun 2004:
....


So you are still continuing to argue, now against yourself. And your still not worried about the lack of intelligence you are displaying. Gee, I wonder who the user the Cellar Bar must be - I know it must be the owner of the Vic huh. You can't even understand the rest of the posts, so much for respecting other people's opinions - but you don't agree with them? yes that's a good reason for not respecting them.

Keep making fools of yourselves please - it really is more amusing. Much more fun laughing at people like you than going to someone's webpage to laugh at them.

Please - humiliate yourselves some more. It's fun.

Oh and a little challenge for you - try and do one post answering people's comments where you do not use personal insults or intimidating comments. That would be a sight. And yes people will defend Picard because he obviously had a lot of problems and personally if I see someone like that I would not antagonise them. That is called being a bully. Well done you.
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Postby amac on Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:54 pm

[s]Unregisted User wrote on 01:06, 8th Jun 2004:
[s]amac wrote on 01:01, 8th Jun 2004:[i]
If you don't like discussions and arguments then this is clearly the wrong place for you, by definition


This is not a discussion, that would imply maturity, something you clearly don't possess. But please continue to wind yourself up further, it makes for fun reading.
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This is the sort of reply that really annoys me. You don't seem able to bring anything tom the argument that makes some kind of sense. Your reasoning has no basis, just flawed moral principle. Sadly, there's always someone willing defend the indefensible just so they can claim the moral highground.

It is a discussion. We are having and argument and i was expressing my point. Your reply to it wasn't either Mature or helpful to it though so why bother (in your own words, you hyporcrit).

When you come back with a decent argument i'll listen. You would have to be blind to think that these people are decent members of society. I would continue but instead read what Humphrey said - its long, but its a good explanation.

Also, there are two good reasons for you to register. Firstly you can post immediately and there's no long delay. Secondly, we actually know its the same person we are arguing to in all the posts. It only take 1 minute so why not do it.

You can't say that you wouldn't join due to the nature of the debate, but then still post. You're already as good as a member in that respect.

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Postby amac on Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:59 pm

[s]Unregisted User wrote on 11:12, 8th June 2004:Please - humiliate yourselves some more. It's fun.

And you continue criticise us for immature and pointless comments?!

Actually, are you Agnus Dei? It would make sense with insults like that, and would be a reason for not registering.

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