troy

[strikethepose]

surely destined to go down in history as one of the all-time-great bad movies? Brad Pitts *gazing into thge far distance deep in thought* looks were priceless - he's obviously been taking acting lessons from Joey from Friends...

[hr]BOROMIR: Don't call me an idiot, dork.
LEGOLAS: This is no mere dork. This is your King. And my boyfriend.
Silence as entire COUNCIL stares at ARAGORN and LEGOLAS.
ARAGORN: (in Elvish) Great, Legolas. Just great.

[Mr Comedy]

I really disliked it. All the parts that were meant to be really serious had people laughing. There was no character development, there was no reason for the actions of the major characters, and most of the acting was really wooden, especially that of Orlando Bloom. When are people going to realise he can't act?
I spoke to some girls after LOTR, and they tried to say that Legolas was fairly hidden about his emotions...
Nope, he can't act.
And it has very little to do with the Iliad. I like the bit in the credits "Inspired by Homers Illiad".

Why did they leave out the Gods? The whole point of the Iliad is that men are ultimately under the control of Gods, and destiny is already written. So when the characters talk of the Gods, it seems like an empty remark, rather than a proper belief.
I hope people don't watch it and think it is The Iliad. Oh, my classically trained mind..

[surfingsimon]

graunted you make a couple of good points but no character development!!! what? both achilles and paris go through major changes - the coming of age of achilles is the whole point of the film.

and as for orlando bloom not being able to act, for the role of paris he didnt have to, he just had to be his useless dorky prissy boy self - cause thats what paris was.

p.s. "there was no reason for the actions of the major characters" - surely if what you claim is true then the fault lies with homer and not the film which stayed fairly true to the book. if you want the book's plot changed then why lament that the took out the gods?

[Pinky but Perky]

look, lets just face it, of course it was going to be bad, Hollywood has been itching to make a sandals and swords film ever since Gladiator hit the box office and this is a perfect example of their depseration. if you want to see a good yet quite subtle film based on Homer's work then watch 'O Brother Where Art Thou' with George Clooney, it's based on Homer's Odyssey. i would recommend it

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the knack is finding a grape that actually looks edible....damn you Tesco!

[killjoy]

i liked this movie. it looked cool and was easy to watch, and sometimes that's ok. who was goin to it expecting a good re working of a classical creek epic peom? It's got brad pitt in it for tom jones's sake!

also i heard that the god where left out because the director thought it would look silly..which it most likely would.

as for olando bloom, i think he could pull off a elf because they dont really show emotions that much and fitted paris as a pansy girly type well...but it was a bit disappointing to see legolas gettin his ass kicked

the best part was eric 'chopper' bana as hector...who whould whip brad pitt's girly ass in a real fight..

"beethoven had his critics too...see if you can name three of them."

[Thackary]

I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard that in the film, Achilles wasn't shot in the heel... is this true?

[Aureliano]

A most entertaining film. You sit there watching the camera sweep over the siege/battlefield, thinking 'I've seen battles/shots/CGI like this before, only less sand and sandals, and more trees and orcs'. Although not having recently seen other such fantasy epics wouldn't have made it any more epic in my eyes, because the acting was just shite. I love that review that described Brad Pitt's 'emotional scenes' as looking like he had just tasted bitter coffee!

And I wholeheartedly agree with the Bloom statements. Legolas is a cool character, he can definitely slip into the elf role very gracefully, and you give him the benefit of the doubt, thinking that maybe they just gave him crap lines (or cut them out of the unextended version).
Then you go see Troy, or remember watching Black Hawk Down, and realise... the boy just can't act.

All of that being said, it was still entertaining to watch. Eric Bana and Sean Bean kicked serious arse, and gave genuinely good performances. Hector and Achilles' duel and some other moments did build up intensity.

Eh.. gah.. it's only a big-budget Hollywood blockbuster. It's supposed to be entertainment. And it made me laugh more than it made me literally cringe, so it's watcheable.

EDIT: Don't worry Thackary, he gets it where he's supposed to.

[[WSD]-Deus]

Achilles is shot in the heel.

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[thePontificator]

[s][WSD]-Deus wrote on 10:23, 23rd May 2004:
Achilles is shot in the heel.



Oh way to ruin the film for everyone! Tch.

[strikethepose]

and there was the prisoner of azkaban trailer shown before the movie.
made me want to jump up and down and giggle in geeky excitement!

[hr]BOROMIR: Don't call me an idiot, dork.
LEGOLAS: This is no mere dork. This is your King. And my boyfriend.
Silence as entire COUNCIL stares at ARAGORN and LEGOLAS.
ARAGORN: (in Elvish) Great, Legolas. Just great.

[Mr_Big_Dave]

There was one actor from LOTR, 2 from braveheart and (possibly) one from gladiator that 1 noticed.

These films have been done- it's getting a bit old now- the fight scences in the other 3 were much better... and the acting was nothing short of pathetic... unless the film was supposed to be tounge-in-cheek- but i doubt that.

Poor show guys!

[Thackary]

Just come back from seeing it.

It was a farcical Pitt-fest. Fun, but nothing special at all.

Shame they couldn't stick more closely to the original story - it wouldn't have complicated things too much.


Andromache and Briseis - mine.
Thetis - yours.

[Campbell]

what the fuck is it with people laughing at things in cinemas that are not funny? a few times now some poncy little wank has been guffawing away in the front row, making 'hilarious' comments to someone six rows behind and giving sly little chuckles to things that only movie buffs would understand (if you were at an of the indiana jones', you know what i mean)

why the fuck can't these people just shut the fuck up?

nowhere other than st andrews have i encountered such a large variety of inconsiderate, arrogant twats

sorry i needed to get that off my chest

[amac]

I don't often make sweeping generalisations, but.. its the Americans.

I've seen a couple of films in America and every time there was someone gasping in disbelief and laughing at the most inane things. Take Mission Impossible 2 for example. When he's dangling of the cliff the women next to me shouted 'Oh My God!!! Is he going to be okay?!!'. No, he's going to fall to his death at the start of the film. What the hell do you think??!!!! Arrghh!!

And then you have the people who laugh every time that the Dwarf is seen in LotR. 'Hahahahhahaha!!! Its a dwarf! Talking!' No. Just no.

See, you've gone and got me angry now. But to go back on topic momentarily, Troy doesn't really interest me that much, and the reviews its got aren't changing my opinion of it.

[Manic23]

Loved the film, but for me it was dampened somewhat by the wankers a few rows in front who were merely laughing at things that weren't funny to gauge some reaction (preferably a laugh to reinforce in their minds how great they are-incidently they didn't get it) from the audience.

Overall very entertaining stuff

[Quentinfetishwoman]

I had problems with the editing and the directing wasnt up to scratch. Some very good performances though from the likes of Eric 'damn sexy' Bana and Brian Cox.

[hr]"Horror by definition is the emotion of pure revulsion. Terror by the same standard is that of fearful anticipation"-Dario Argento

[Thackary]

And the music just DIDN'T GO!

[Aureliano]

[s]Quentinfetishwoman wrote on 23:18, 23rd May 2004:
Some very good performances though from the likes of Eric 'damn sexy' Bana and Brian Cox.


Fortunately I'm comfortable enough with my sexuality to back you up on this one, mmmmmhmmmm! Eric 'damn sexy' Bana indeed. : )

As a guy, Helen really didn't do much for me. I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet. Seeing as how she is supposed to be something that 'epic wars are fought over', hmmm.... I was expecting her beauty/whatever to knock me out of my socks from the very first scene onwards...

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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

[Ben Hecking]

p.s. "there was no reason for the actions of the major characters" - surely if what you claim is true then the fault lies with homer and not the film which stayed fairly true to the book.

What the hell!!! You clearly have no idea what you are talking about - they kill people in the wrong place and they even kill people who shouldn't be killed.

Ajax and Odysseus fight over Achilles' arms - in the film Ajax is killed before Achilles.

Menelaus and Helen rule for about 40 more years (odysseus' son goes to visit them in the Odyssey) he is certainly not killed by Hector.

Agamemnon is also not killed at Troy - you wipe out a whole cycle of Greek myths concerning agamemnon, his wife, her lover (who kills him on his return) and their son and daugher who avenge his death. This way none of that would happen.

Achilles is killed before they enter Troy in the Horse - he doesn't lead them in

And the battle doesn't last 15 days.

Yeah that's really accurate to the book isn't it??

[Thackary]

To be fair, she had a pretty tough role to live up to, which is one of the reasons a relatively unknown actress was chosen. Apparently the director didn't actually want to show Helen in the film, as he didn't think he could find an actress beautiful enough.

Personally I think that Rose Byrne would have done the job...